USC/Oregon St.

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Pete Carrol is good for one of these losses a year. Is it talent at USC or coaching? Games like this make me think talent.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Less chaotic than you think. 4/5th of their fan base is pathetic.
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Droski quoted a USC fan after their loss to Texas in the title game as saying something like, "Sure it was disappointing that we lost, but we all had a few drinks and had a great time anyway."

I don't deny that it's a healthier attitude towards sports than I have. I envy it, in a way. But that ain't exactly what college football is all about.
 
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jcolli30 said:
Pete Carrol is good for one of these losses a year. Is it talent at USC or coaching? Games like this make me think talent.
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Apathy. They play in a conference where they're favored by 3 touchdowns in almost every game. We all know how dangerous the sandwich games can be; most of USC's conference schedule is nothing but sandwich games. If you're Pete Carroll, how do you convince your team that they can conceivably lose a game like that?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Apathy. They play in a conference where they're favored by 3 touchdowns in almost every game. We all know how dangerous the sandwich games can be; most of USC's conference schedule is nothing but sandwich games. If you're Pete Carroll, how do you convince your team that they can conceivably lose a game like that?
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By pointing out losses like that in alnost every year he has been around
 
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jcolli30 said:
Pete Carrol is good for one of these losses a year. Is it talent at USC or coaching? Games like this make me think talent.
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Vercingetorix said:
Apathy. They play in a conference where they're favored by 3 touchdowns in almost every game. We all know how dangerous the sandwich games can be; most of USC's conference schedule is nothing but sandwich games. If you're Pete Carroll, how do you convince your team that they can conceivably lose a game like that?
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I agree with Vercingetorix.

Anytime USC is playing in a big game, they annihilate the other team. It's games like this that they lose, so evidently he has trouble getting them up for games like this. Pete Carroll is a great coach though.
 
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XtennesseeX said:
I agree with Vercingetorix.

Anytime USC is playing in a big game, they annihilate the other team. It's games like this that they lose, so evidently he has trouble getting them up for games like this. Pete Carroll is a great coach though.
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Every college coach has trouble getting his teams up for games like this. All teams come out flat sometimes against obviously inferior opponents; most of the times they pull it out, but occasionally they lose. Carroll's particular problem is that most of his conference schedule falls into the "gimme" category. If the team treats road conference games like layups, then they're going to get burned sometimes. Despite the recent history, Carroll apparently isn't having much success at making his team believe they can actually lose to teams like OSU.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Every college coach has trouble getting his teams up for games like this. All teams come out flat sometimes against obviously inferior opponents; most of the times they pull it out, but occasionally they lose. Carroll's particular problem is that most of his conference schedule falls into the "gimme" category. If the team treats road conference games like layups, then they're going to get burned sometimes. Despite the recent history, Carroll apparently isn't having much success at making his team believe they can actually lose to teams like OSU.
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Reminds me of our Labor Day game. We'll see if it continues.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Droski quoted a USC fan after their loss to Texas in the title game as saying something like, "Sure it was disappointing that we lost, but we all had a few drinks and had a great time anyway."

I don't deny that it's a healthier attitude towards sports than I have. I envy it, in a way. But that ain't exactly what college football is all about.
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Simply put, you'd be hard-pressed to find a dozen people in the Pac-10 region that view college football the way people in the south do. Sure, there are season-ticket holders, and people who have their house/car decked out with their school's gear (Oregon stickers EVERYWHERE in Portland) but the attitude is still completely different. They lost? Oh, that sucks. Move on.

I see it as being kind of a blessing sometimes, though. Particularly, we get to see what coaches can really do out here. Alums, boosters and fans in general will never throw a coach under the bus after one or two seasons. One has to have a good consistency of suckitude before anybody starts calling for their job. Unlike, say, Bama, where they're ready for a new coach after 3 games.
 
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milohimself said:
Simply put, you'd be hard-pressed to find a dozen people in the Pac-10 region that view college football the way people in the south do. Sure, there are season-ticket holders, and people who have their house/car decked out with their school's gear (Oregon stickers EVERYWHERE in Portland) but the attitude is still completely different. They lost? Oh, that sucks. Move on.

I see it as being kind of a blessing sometimes, though. Particularly, we get to see what coaches can really do out here. Alums, boosters and fans in general will never throw a coach under the bus after one or two seasons. One has to have a good consistency of suckitude before anybody starts calling for their job. Unlike, say, Bama, where they're ready for a new coach after 3 games.
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Droski cited the quote derisively, but I've thought about it a lot over the last year because I wish it better described my own attitude towards collegiate football. I care way, way too much about what happens in games played by kids half my age who happen to go to school at my alma mater. I wish I could just say, "Hey, we lost, but I had a great time anyway."

But you can't, and this is what the people bitching about last Saturday's booing miss. You can't have the passion, and the tradition, and everything else that goes with southern football and not have the booing on the other end of it. Either you care or you don't. All in, or all out. I wouldn't expect USC fans (for example) to boo their team any more than I'd expect to see 18,000 of their fans travel across the country to see them play.
 
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Pretty much. USC has just as much a tradition of winning as any team in the south, but not the fan base to match. And football has been around forever here, as well. Washington, UofO, OSU, Cal, Stanford, USC and UCLA all have football history stretching back well over a century. But people here just don't care in the same way. The stadiums are half the size, and if their team sucks, fans just complain a little bit and move on.

I have no idea as to why that is. It just is.
 
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milohimself said:
Pretty much. USC has just as much a tradition of winning as any team in the south, but not the fan base to match. And football has been around forever here, as well. Washington, UofO, OSU, Cal, Stanford, USC and UCLA all have football history stretching back well over a century. But people here just don't care in the same way. The stadiums are half the size, and if their team sucks, fans just complain a little bit and move on.

I have no idea as to why that is. It just is.
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The easy answer is that there's so much more to do on the west coast that there's no reason to care as much; if your team sucks, there's a pantload more to do. But I don't know if that explanation even gets close to it. Living here in the south.....I have friends and neighbors who are Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Georgia Tech people. And somehow that becomes your identity down here in a way that I can't quite see happening in a neighborhood in LA or Sacramento. My neighbors and I are standing around talking college football in April and May. I'm the Tennessee guy, and somebody else is the Miami guy, and we have plenty of UGA guys, etc etc.

Maybe the difference is that more of the so-called sidewalk alums are passionate fans in the south than in the NW? I dunno. If UTK had to rely on its actual alumni to support the program, the stadium would clearly be half as big...
 
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Here you go tennesseefan07. You'll have to provide your own condiments.
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OrangeWilly said:
So you agree that the Pac-10 is "Ridiculously hard"?
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yes. the speed and talent at the offensive skill positions and the elite offensive coaching in the pac-10 means that virtually every team in the pac-10 has a "fighting chance" against anyone. it's not like in some leagues where over half the teams have virtually no shot of winning against the elite teams. that's not to say it's the hardest conference. certainly not this year. just that there are a lot of pac-10 teams that have the ability to get hot on a given day and beat an elite team. vandy can play the game of it's life and still not beat florida or georgia. why? because they can't score.
 
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