USC sanctions

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#354
robvols said:
Ferrell might lose his mind on this one.
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Probably not. USC will take a couple years off, and, depending on what the conferences look like in a couple of years (and also depending on how the BCS alters in response), they'll be back in a major bowl by this class' graduation.
 
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jhall014 said:
I honestly couldn't think of a more deserving program
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There's always
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more deserving team.
 
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Ambles get on Ustream now! No bowl game schwag for the next two years and then enjoy getting beaten like a pinata with a team of 60 around you...
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Ambles get on Ustream now! No bowl game schwag for the next two years and then enjoy getting beaten like a pinata with a team of 60 around you...
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Awesome! Attacking 18-year olds who having nothing to do this and were lied to! What fun!
 
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hatvol96 said:
It amazes me that someone who has spent less than 1/10,000th of the time around big time coaches that I have is trying to lecture me on the inner workings of big time college athletics.
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No coach with McNair, O and Lane on their staff really gives a d*** about ethics in recruiting. No coach who sees his players routinely move into great new digs (Dwayne Jarrett in westside condos, Bush's family in large new homes), drive cars way outside their price range (McKnight in his SUV was just one of many, many such commonplaces around campus during Carroll's tenure), and invites Snoop Dog & Suge Knight with sideline passes, is a coach that cares about any kind of morals. No coach whose players get nabbed with steroids, arrested multiple times for felony crimes (and usually reinstated quickly, even for rape charges), and even signed a recruit that committed a multiple-felony a few weeks later, showed any sign of concern for rules and morals in his program.

In his defense, it is exactly what SC boosters wanted -- win at all costs, and party doing it. There's a reason Garrett kept his job after the Floyd-Mayo payola debacle.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Not trying to be a jerk but what exactly does this have to do with "Tennessee Vols Football"?
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1) Opens up SC juniors and seniors as potential recruits;

2) Opens up national recruits who want a pro-style offense, as Tennessee will now be one of the few national recruiting programs with a pro-style offense, given the change of offenses at Notre Dame, the spread offenses at Florida and Texas, and now the diminished brand of SC on probation;

3) Opens up southern california high school recruits, who will be more willing to bolt from town now that SC is branded -- the last time SC had almost identical sanctions (early 80's), it hurt them for a long time with local recruits, causing a "tipping" effect, where the pattern of players going elsewhere led even more to do so;

4) The most talent-rich program in the country can't compete for a national title the next two years, and may not be such a talent-rich program for several years thereafter, making a national title for any SEC champion easier to obtain; and

5) It diminishes Kiffin since his program is on probation, he & O were the recruiting coordinators during the years in question, and the coach they kept on staff, Todd McNair, is neck-deep in a lot of this, and bad things happening to a guy who caused real difficulty for UT is a good thing.
 
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hatvol96 said:
What "other crap?" I love it when people just throw vague, baseless statements out there to prop up the decisions of the 'AA's kangaroo court.
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1. Dwayne Jarrett living in an expensive westside condo with Leinart, but paying rent as if he lived in Compton, with Leinart's dad paying the bulk (note: parents don't get to give collegiate wideouts westside condos);

2. Joe McKnight's SUV and his girlfriend's salary from an SC booster (not a big secret around L.A. that a lot of SC players' girlfriends just happened to get nice paying soft jobs working for SC boosters);

3. Tim Floyd paying money to a basketball player, which the AD managed to not get fired, despite the evident institutional problems;

4. Long-time rumors of steroid use confirmed when the Ting brothers got caught, and not surprisingly, USC linebacker Cushing (who, with Matthews, had Barry Bonds-like physical improvements at SC), got nailed this year in the league;

5. A program that has convicted felons like Suge Knight with sideline passes to hang out, and had sports agents in the locker-room and on the sidelines, including agents that helped trigger the entire Bush inquiry.

This was Miami late 80's times two.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Exactly what the Hell does an agent giving a college sophomore's parents money and use of a house have to do with recruiting? I really wonder how many people on this board even have the first clue what SC is actually accused of having done.
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Real easy -- go to SC, and they will look the other way while agents give you cash now. These agents weren't hiding under rocks; they were given sideline passes and locker-room access by Carroll himself. The players' lifestyles weren't hidden; they were partying around town, driving vehicles way above some grant aid, living in westside condos, and crashing 5* Vegas hotels for all to see. Why did Henderson choose SC? Because, according to various reports, his father was led to believe he would have access to rap stars for a musical career. Think that has anything to do with Carroll giving sideline passes to Snoop Dog & Suge Knight? Pretending this had nothing to do with the SC "brand" and the SC "experience" they were pitching recruits is naive.
 
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hatvol96 said:
SC's compliance guys are supposed to go to San Diego and demand Reggie Bush's stepfather tell them who's paying for his house? I'd love to see how many compliance units do that.
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It's a little more than that. From the Yahoo report that started this:

"Also, McNair allegedly knew of Bush's involvement with the New Era venture before last season's national championship game against Texas, according to two sources. And at one point during the 2005 season, sources say Bush thought that Carroll knew about his parents' living arrangement and feared he was going to conduct his own investigation. Bush called Michaels, instructing that if Carroll called regarding the house to "tell him that you're a longtime family friend." Carroll never called Michaels."

Note: Carroll invited the New Era agents to the sidelines and in the locker room. He did this a lot with agents and "would be/wanna-be" marketing agents like Suge Knight, the man likely responsible for the murder of Tupac and Notorious B.I.G.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, I bet Pete Carroll, with all sorts of high level NFL agent contacts at his disposal, is going to pick a second rate gangster and an Indian tribe flunkie to funnel money to Bush's family. Makes perfect sense.
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Most agents aren't dumb enough to do it that often, but Carroll did a little bit of all of it.

"Ornstein is alleged to have given thousands in cash and gifts to Bush and his family during USC's 2005 season. Bush's ties to Ornstein first came to light when he took an internship in Ornstein's office in the summer of 2005. By November, Ornstein had begun to advise Bush's family on its search for an agent to negotiate the Heisman Trophy winner's NFL contract."

Who is Ornstein? A convicted fraudster that Carroll gave sideline passes and locker-room access to.
 
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Look at all of Vegas Vol's worthless allegations. Thise must make up an unassailable stat line and prove something for you. Gibbs will be so excited.
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zjcvols said:
That's what I was thinking.
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Find me evidence of that in the 'AA's findings. Floyd's the only one in this process who stood up and said "If you take the word of a convicted felon shopping a book deal and make findings of substantial wrongdoing against me, I'll make the judgment Tark got against you fools look like chump change." The 'AA wanted no part of that.
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Good news...anything that helps Tennessee makes me happy.

I am sure Kiffin would rather be at a probation USC over a non-probation TN still though. He is making double money in LA and has excuses if he doesn't win right away.
 
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