USC vs Arkansas

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#26
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milohimself said:
If McFadden was playing, I'd seriously consider taking the points.
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I would too, and as you are implying, it changes the game by a good margin.

Remember, USC is returning a helluva defense, and with Johnson as Arky's QB, it won't stir much worry from Los Angeles. I think with McFadden, I'd still need +10 or so (which I got with a friend), but I think USC wins by 14-20.
 
#27
#27
VolinArizona said:
I would too, and as you are implying, it changes the game by a good margin.

Remember, USC is returning a helluva defense, and with Johnson as Arky's QB, it won't stir much worry from Los Angeles. I think with McFadden, I'd still need +10 or so (which I got with a friend), but I think USC wins by 14-20.
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They are returning 4 starters and only 3 of their Top 10 tacklers from last season...
 
#28
#28
therealUT said:
They are returning 4 starters and only 3 of their Top 10 tacklers from last season...
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Poor choice of words. They have a helluva defense. And they are returning 5 of their top 10 tacklers. They have 6 starters back on defense.

NT S. Ellis
DE L. Jackson
WLB K. Rivers
MLB O. Lua
SLB B. Cushing
FS J. Pinkard

Ellis and Jackson combined for 14.5 sacks last season and 9 PDs. Oscar Lua reminds me on Jon Vilma. Josh Pinkard is one of the top 2 FS in the PAC 10.

The thing about USC's D is that it was incredibly deep last season, so they got a ton of PT. Should be the best or 2nd best D in the conference.
 
#29
#29
I'm comparing this game to the USC/Auburn game in 2003.

USC was breaking in a completely new backfield while Auburn, much like Arkansas this year, was picked to be a pretty good team and do some damage. Granted, this year's Arkansas team isn't being met with the same expectations of the 2003 Auburn team, and I can't say with absolute confidence that USC will spit out another backfield with the likes of Leinart, Bush, and White. All things considered, I think this game will have close to the same result as the USC/Auburn game in 2003... a 10 to 15 point win by USC.
 
#30
#30
tidwell said:
I'm comparing this game to the USC/Auburn game in 2003.

USC was breaking in a completely new backfield while Auburn, much like Arkansas this year, was picked to be a pretty good team and do some damage. Granted, this year's Arkansas team isn't being met with the same expectations of the 2003 Auburn team, and I can't say with absolute confidence that USC will spit out another backfield with the likes of Leinart, Bush, and White. All things considered, I'llt hink this game will have close to the same result as the USC/Auburn game in 2003... a 10 to 15 point win by USC.
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Agreed very much.
 
#31
#31
VolinArizona said:
Poor choice of words. They have a helluva defense. And they are returning 5 of their top 10 tacklers. They have 6 starters back on defense.

NT S. Ellis
DE L. Jackson
WLB K. Rivers
MLB O. Lua
SLB B. Cushing
FS J. Pinkard

Ellis and Jackson combined for 14.5 sacks last season and 9 PDs. Oscar Lua reminds me on Jon Vilma. Josh Pinkard is one of the top 2 FS in the PAC 10.

The thing about USC's D is that it was incredibly deep last season, so they got a ton of PT. Should be the best or 2nd best D in the conference.
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If Oscar Lua is so outstanding, then why hasn't he won the starting job for 2006?
 
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#34
#34
therealUT said:
Not according to Pete Carroll's depth chart, nor this article, published 23 hours ago:
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Yup, Lua will be splitting time.

However, he IS a returning starter and a captain. Both Lua and Maualuga will get a lot of playing time.

Still, they have 6 returning starters and 5 of their top 10 tacklers, which is a little different than what you said earlier.
 
#35
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VolinArizona said:
Yup, Lua will be splitting time.

However, he IS a returning starter and a captain. Both Lua and Maualuga will get a lot of playing time.

Still, they have 6 returning starters and 5 of their top 10 tacklers, which is a little different than what you said earlier.
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No. They have 4 returing starters. As, to be a returning starter, you must have started the previous year and start this year. I was wrong on the top tacklers. Yet, I never made the statement that a LB who cannot even win the job his senior year is the next Jonathan Vilma. Nor did I make the statement that USC's defense would be the best in the conference (which is possible, since the PAC-10 is not known for defense, however, USC's defense was not very impressive, IMO, last season.)

Why is it so difficult to accept that fact that USC, in 2006, is not going to be the USC of the past 4 seasons?
 
#36
#36
I honestly feel like you're arguing just to argue. I said Lua reminds me of Vilma. I obviously will be wrong.

It reallllly feels like you just like to disagree with me. Do you consider Robert Meachem and Jayson Swain returning starters for UT? They had 6 and 3 starts respectively. Arian Foster had 5 starts. All 3 are considered returning starters.

You don't have to start the current season to be a returning stater. Oscar Lua started 11 games, thus he's a returning starter.

Thomas Williams, who started 8 games last season before being injured, is a returning starter. Honestly, USC could say they have SEVEN returning starters.

And nowhere have I stated that USC will be the USC of the last 4 years. NOWHERE. You put those words in my mouth. Will they beat Arkansas? Probably. Will they win 10 games? Most likely. This time around, the defense will be the better half.

Now, argue with me some more. You always do.
 
#37
#37
VolinArizona said:
I honestly feel like you're arguing just to argue. I said Lua reminds me of Vilma. I obviously will be wrong.

It reallllly feels like you just like to disagree with me. Do you consider Robert Meachem and Jayson Swain returning starters for UT? They had 6 and 3 starts respectively. Arian Foster had 5 starts. All 3 are considered returning starters.

You don't have to start the current season to be a returning stater. Oscar Lua started 11 games, thus he's a returning starter.

Thomas Williams, who started 8 games last season before being injured, is a returning starter. Honestly, USC could say they have SEVEN returning starters.

And nowhere have I stated that USC will be the USC of the last 4 years. NOWHERE. You put those words in my mouth. Will they beat Arkansas? Probably. Will they win 10 games? Most likely. This time around, the defense will be the better half.

Now, argue with me some more. You always do.
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I believe you stated that USC is still USC until proven otherwise. Most people reading that would take that to mean they are geared up to win 12 or 13 games again this season. What bothers me the most about this, is USC fans are so arrogant, they actually believe that the losses of Leinart, Bush, and White are insignificant. Therefore, I cannot wait to see the mighty Trojans fall in there first game of 2006.
 
#38
#38
Also, I do not know exactly where you were going with the Meachem, Swain, Foster comparison. All three ended their 2005 season as starters and are starting in the first game of 2006...
 
#39
#39
therealUT said:
I believe you stated that USC is still USC until proven otherwise. Most people reading that would take that to mean they are geared up to win 12 or 13 games again this season. What bothers me the most about this, is USC fans are so arrogant, they actually believe that the losses of Leinart, Bush, and White are insignificant. Therefore, I cannot wait to see the mighty Trojans fall in there first game of 2006.
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Show me where I said USC is USC until proven otherwise.
 
#40
#40
therealUT said:
I believe you stated that USC is still USC until proven otherwise. Most people reading that would take that to mean they are geared up to win 12 or 13 games again this season. What bothers me the most about this, is USC fans are so arrogant, they actually believe that the losses of Leinart, Bush, and White are insignificant. Therefore, I cannot wait to see the mighty Trojans fall in there first game of 2006.
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And also, I royally HATE USC. I hate the Trojans immensely.
 
#41
#41
therealUT said:
Also, I do not know exactly where you were going with the Meachem, Swain, Foster comparison. All three ended their 2005 season as starters and are starting in the first game of 2006...
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I would say Oscar Lua who started 11 games, is more of a returning starter than those 3.

A returning starter doesn't necessarily have to start in the next season. He is a starter from the last season who is returning. Check out the preseason mags (yeah yeah yeah) and notice the returning starters in bold who aren't projected to start. They are still returning starters.
 
#44
#44
USC is USC until proven otherwise. Once they lose a few games, otherwise will be proven. They have not lost a few games yet. Ergo, they are ranked highly. That is not hard to understand.
 
#46
#46
kptvol said:
USC is USC until proven otherwise. Once they lose a few games, otherwise will be proven. They have not lost a few games yet. Ergo, they are ranked highly. That is not hard to understand.
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And you bet on the Bulls to win the World Championship the year after Jordan retired...?
 
#47
#47
Well...USC looked pretty good last night against Arkansas. Definitely deserving of the #6 ranking.
 
#48
#48
therealUT said:
to be a returning starter, you must have started the previous year and start this year.
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I just wanted to tell you that I've asked no less than 6 people about what constitutes a returning starter. ALL of them gave me this explanation:

A returning starter is someone who started last season.

When I asked them how many games the prior season constitutes a starter, they said ABOUT half or half.

So, I don't know why you think a returning starter has to start THIS season.
 
#49
#49
VolinArizona said:
I just wanted to tell you that I've asked no less than 6 people about what constitutes a returning starter. ALL of them gave me this explanation:

A returning starter is someone who started last season.

When I asked them how many games the prior season constitutes a starter, they said ABOUT half or half.

So, I don't know why you think a returning starter has to start THIS season.
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I am glad you asked 6 people...I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WHO YOU ASK! Also, my point was almost purely about starting this season. You and your 6 cronies might want to look into the logic of talking about returning starters, as hyping a team up, if those players are not even going to be on the field this season, except in back up roles and clean up minutes.
 
#50
#50
therealUT said:
I am glad you asked 6 people...I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WHO YOU ASK! Also, my point was almost purely about starting this season. You and your 6 cronies might want to look into the logic of talking about returning starters, as hyping a team up, if those players are not even going to be on the field this season, except in back up roles and clean up minutes.
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Not my cronies. Keep acting like a child. I didn't think I needed to say this, but I asked them because I thought *I* was going crazy for the last so many years. I wanted to make sure *I* wasn't way off. You're way of looking at returning starters is not how everyone else does. That's fine. But when debating such things, you might want to be "hip to the game." You do need to calm down, though.
 
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