USS destroyer sailing by chinese disputed islands

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Orangedogsrule said:
So, China gets to steal other sovereign nations territory and it's all good, eh?

Relax? Sheeeyiut!
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They stole no sovereign nation's territory. Up until the late 1940s, those islands and atolls had always been considered Chinese. Afterwards, Malaysia, Vietnam and The Philippines started to make claims on them, with Western support. Again, China is only building up on 8-10 of these islands. The remaining 40+ are split between the rest of the countries in that region.

There is no need for you or the media or our politicians to blow this out of proportion and distort the facts.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They stole no sovereign nation's territory. Up until the late 1940s, those islands and atolls had always been considered Chinese. Afterwards, Malaysia, Vietnam and The Philippines started to make claims on them, with Western support. Again, China is only building up on 8-10 of these islands. The remaining 40+ are split between the rest of the countries in that region.

There is no need for you or the media or our politicians to blow this out of proportion and distort the facts.
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distort the fact the China itself identified these islands as in international waters and outside their control when they helped write UNESCO? ( i think i got the abbreviation right)
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They stole no sovereign nation's territory. Up until the late 1940s, those islands and atolls had always been considered Chinese. Afterwards, Malaysia, Vietnam and The Philippines started to make claims on them, with Western support. Again, China is only building up on 8-10 of these islands. The remaining 40+ are split between the rest of the countries in that region.

There is no need for you or the media or our politicians to blow this out of proportion and distort the facts.
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Once again, you are wrong.

..."The Hague tribunal last year backed Manila's claim that there was no evidence that China had historically exercised exclusive control over the contested waters."...
 
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Without reading 19 pages how high is this self built island above sea level? Do they expect this base to be there more than 3 years? Won't the first typhoon through there wipe it completely out?
 
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Count the dots Ras. Look where they are.

http://blog.geogarage.com/2016/07/what-south-china-sea-ruling-means-for.html?m=1

..."It is difficult to imagine how even the most slavish apologist for Beijing ... can possibly defend China’s claims, and more importantly its actions, in the South China Sea following the court’s devastating ruling,"...

China is attempting to usurp the boundary waters of Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, Phillipines, and possibly Indonesia by claiming sovereignty over the whole region of the South China Sea.

Not just the few little Paracel Islands or "spots" you are claiming.
And the location of reef conversion to islands for military installations is waaaay down in the Spratleys. Approaching 4x the internationally accepted 200 mile EEZ.

China is stealing other nations fishing, mineral, and navigation rights.

There is no excuse or valid reason.
 

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Orangedogsrule said:
Count the dots Ras. Look where they are.

http://blog.geogarage.com/2016/07/what-south-china-sea-ruling-means-for.html?m=1

..."It is difficult to imagine how even the most slavish apologist for Beijing ... can possibly defend China’s claims, and more importantly its actions, in the South China Sea following the court’s devastating ruling,"...

China is attempting to usurp the boundary waters of Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, Phillipines, and possibly Indonesia by claiming sovereignty over the whole region of the South China Sea.

Not just the few little Paracel Islands or "spots" you are claiming.
And the location of reef conversion to islands for military installations is waaaay down in the Spratleys. Approaching 4x the internationally accepted 200 mile EEZ.

China is stealing other nations fishing, mineral, and navigation rights.

There is no excuse or valid reason.
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If you want a comparison of US and Chinese military bases world-wide....they are easily accessible...
 
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Maybe it's just my ignorance, but I could give diddly squat about China building anything in the middle of the ocean. Why do we care?
 
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VolStrom said:
Maybe it's just my ignorance, but I could give diddly squat about China building anything in the middle of the ocean. Why do we care?
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Because our ruler's rulers say it's important to stick our nose where it doesn't belong. They go by the names of General Dynamics, General Electrics, Raytheon, Boeing, etc.
 
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Pacer92 said:
If you want a comparison of US and Chinese military bases world-wide....they are easily accessible...
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Who gives a ratzz azz about a military base comparison in this instance? Moreover, why?

China is absolutely stomping on the shipping lanes, fishing and mineral rights of neighboring countries around THE WHOLE of the South China Sea.

They Do Not have to ask China's permission to sail, fish, or prospect those waters.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Who gives a ratzz azz about a military base comparison in this instance? Moreover, why?

China is absolutely stomping on the shipping lanes, fishing and mineral rights of neighboring countries around THE WHOLE of the South China Sea.

They Do Not have to ask China's permission to sail, fish, or prospect those waters.
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Just wait until Ras pulls out the whole "well, it belongs to China because it's called the South China Sea."
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Without reading 19 pages how high is this self built island above sea level? Do they expect this base to be there more than 3 years? Won't the first typhoon through there wipe it completely out?
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Good question. Logistically they are probably more a liability than an asset. Outposts have historically fallen (literally and figuratively) in that category.

The other side of things involves N Korea. How many countries, including the US, might effectively give those islands away as bargaining chips if China claims it will tame N Korea?
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Who gives a ratzz azz about a military base comparison in this instance? Moreover, why?

China is absolutely stomping on the shipping lanes, fishing and mineral rights of neighboring countries around THE WHOLE of the South China Sea.

They Do Not have to ask China's permission to sail, fish, or prospect those waters.
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It's their sphere....they are top dog there, just as we are in multiple spheres...including ones that aren't ours...

This is the response when you nose into big-boy areas outside your own influence....where they tell bullies to go get ****ed...

Don't think we wouldn't do the same...
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Who gives a ratzz azz about a military base comparison in this instance? Moreover, why?

China is absolutely stomping on the shipping lanes, fishing and mineral rights of neighboring countries around THE WHOLE of the South China Sea.

They Do Not have to ask China's permission to sail, fish, or prospect those waters.
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In the very link you provided it was clear that this area was at best, highly contested on multiple fronts. You scream about China and their "dots", but don't seem to care about zthe Philippines making claims on the same spots that Brunei is contedting or Vietnam and Malaysia are disputing. Your just picking solely on China because that is what your media and politicians tell you that you need to worried about...

China has just as much of a claim on these islands as anyone else, if not more so.

Again, this is about the US controlling the shipping lanes and in particular, controlling the lanes coming into and leaving the Straits of Malacca. There is no reason in the world why the regions largest importer and exporter would want to bottleneck this region. You"very been deceived.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Just wait until Ras pulls out the whole "well, it belongs to China because it's called the South China Sea."
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It makes a hell of a lot more sense for China to be in that region than the US. Of what strategic importance to the US is this region? Is it worth going to war with another nuclear super power over shipping lanes that are on the other side of the globe?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It makes a hell of a lot more sense for China to be in that region than the US. Of what strategic importance to the US is this region? Is it worth going to war with another nuclear super power over shipping lanes that are on the other side of the globe?
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This right here shows your total ignorance for all things outside the comfort of your home.
 
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Pacer92 said:
It's their sphere....they are top dog there, just as we are in multiple spheres...including ones that aren't ours...

This is the response when you nose into big-boy areas outside your own influence....where they tell bullies to go get ****ed...

Don't think we wouldn't do the same...
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Come ON man. You just be makin s-t-u-p-i-d NONSENSE!

Read the treaty. Read the ruling. Study the map. The whole of pacific rim nations,
of which we are a member are against China on this. The Phillipines were historic staunch allies where there were about 72,000 Americans killed or wounded during WW2 to free them from the Japanese Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere expansion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Come ON man. You just be makin s-t-u-p-i-d NONSENSE!

Read the treaty. Read the ruling. Study the map. The whole of pacific rim nations,
of which we are a member are against China on this. The Phillipines were historic staunch allies where there were about 72,000 Americans killed or wounded during WW2 to free them from the Japanese Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere expansion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere
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What does Japanese Imperialism have to do with this?
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Come ON man. You just be makin s-t-u-p-i-d NONSENSE!

Read the treaty. Read the ruling. Study the map. The whole of pacific rim nations,
of which we are a member are against China on this. The Phillipines were historic staunch allies where there were about 72,000 Americans killed or wounded during WW2 to free them from the Japanese Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere expansion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere
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Following the defeat of Japan at the end of World War II, the Republic of China (Taiwan) reclaimed the entirety of the Paracels, Pratas and Spratly Islands after accepting the Japanese surrender of the islands based on the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations.[17] However, under the 1943 Cairo Declaration and 1945 Potsdam Proclamation, the Republic of China's sovereignty over the archipelagos and waters of South China Sea was not stated.[18]

In November 1946, the Republic of China sent naval ships to take control of these islands after the surrender of Japan. When the Peace Treaty with Japan was being signed at the San Francisco Conference, on 7 September 1951, both China and Vietnam asserted their rights to the islands. Later the Philippine government also laid claim to some islands of the archipelagoes.[19]
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1. What does "reclaimed" mean?
2. What does "later" mean?
 
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