UT announces 2012-13 APR rates

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Oskie Volum said:
It's great that CBJ has been able to bring this up to avoid penalties but for those that enjoy bashing Dooley remember CBJ was able to pull it off with many players dooley brought in. He didn't get handed a high # of CPF and Kifs players.

I know I will be bashed like usual, but anyone that can't comprehend how these factors affect things really have no place to be bashing anyone.

It's funny how all the negative things happening right now are all Dooley's fault, but all positive things happening started the second CBJ got hired.
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There you are....knew it was just a matter of time...


Well, the negative things (losing records, the pissing off of Tennessee HS coaches and former players, poor recruiting, SEC worst and dangerously low APR, etc) were all Dooley's fault, they all occurred on his watch.

The positive things started happening not the second CBJ was hired, but when CBJ started going to work to fix all the problems your boy Dooley left him. He's started out by trying to repair the relationships with former players, which he's done beautifully..... VFL actually means something, stands for something special now that CBJ is the head coach.

He's also, obviously, turned recruiting completely around. It's amazing what he did with the 2014 class and 2015 appears to be right along the same pace. And of course, the reason for this thread... APR. Butch has taken what was a disaster under Dooley's reign (we were about to be ineligible for a bowl game...of course, going to a bowl was virtually a moot point for him) and turned it into a positive...the team scored a perfect 1000 APR score last Fall iirc and is now safely clear of penalties.... a woeful APR score can no longer be an issue that other teams use to negatively recruit against us.

CBJ has done/is doing everything masterfully well off the field, things either Dooley couldn't or just wouldn't do. The final piece is on the field play, and we've already seen CBJ do in his first year, with a broken roster, what Dooley couldn't do in 3 years with 3 of his recruiting classes.... get a meaningful signature win, which leads me and others to believe he'll be much more successful on Saturdays too.
 
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I don't understand the Dooley hate.

He went
6-7
5-7
5-7

People act like he went 2-10 his whole 3 years.

His not a good head coach, but not a terrible one.

Just leave it be. The man did his best.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
I don't understand the Dooley hate.

He went
6-7
5-7
5-7

People act like he went 2-10 his whole 3 years.

His not a good head coach, but not a terrible one.

Just leave it be. The man did his best.
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Becoming the first coach to post three consecutive losing seasons since the early 1900s was only part of it with Dooley. Most of the issues I have with Dooley was the damage he did to the program involving things off the field. I mentioned most of them a few posts back. Don't care to mention them again here.
 
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Just read Freak's post on the APR and I want to say congratulations to the teams for their work in the classroom (especially the BB team for scoring a 980!). When I was at UT a millenium ago, the BB team had by far the lowest scores. Kudos to Cuonzo for doing a great job in that regard. What I cannot understand is why baseball is so low. Probably the most surprising thing of all was that the Lady Vols basketball team actually tanked from the previous period.

Overall in the SEC our football team ranked dead last (Missouri and S. Carolina were tied for first) in multi-season APR and we barely qualified for post season play (2 points above the minimum). Kudos to CBJ for putting us on the right trajectory, however, and teaching these young men to take this seriously.:thumbsup:

Btw, does anyone know Pedigo's APR?
 
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overseasorange said:
I agree with you. He tried, but could not do it. So let's move on.
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He quit trying after the UK loss. He tried to quit after that game but didn't want to pay a buyout to Hart, so he just sat back and hoped Hart would fire him instead.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
I don't understand the Dooley hate.

He went
6-7
5-7
5-7

People act like he went 2-10 his whole 3 years.

His not a good head coach, but not a terrible one.

Just leave it be. The man did his best.
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His best nearly destroyed the program. That is a fact.
 
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KBVol said:
Becoming the first coach to post three consecutive losing seasons since the early 1900s was only part of it with Dooley. Most of the issues I have with Dooley was the damage he did to the program involving things off the field. I mentioned most of them a few posts back. Don't care to mention them again here.
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The guys pt is that he didn't take a winning program and bring it down. He maintained the periods status quo. Something that CBJ is atm doing as well.

I do wonder about the 3 consecutive losing season argument u pleasure urself too...6-6 during the regular season isn't a losing season imo. A bowl game is the post season, and recognized as a "reward" for going .500+. Soooo in a sense he only had 2 losing seasons. Just a little food for thought budddd...
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Vol4life25 said:
I don't understand the Dooley hate.

He went
6-7
5-7
5-7

People act like he went 2-10 his whole 3 years.

His not a good head coach, but not a terrible one.

Just leave it be. The man did his best.
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Cough syrup? or just confused?
 
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Oskie Volum said:
The guys pt is that he didn't take a winning program and bring it down. He maintained the periods status quo. Something that CBJ is atm doing as well.

I do wonder about the 3 consecutive losing season argument u pleasure urself too...6-6 during the regular season isn't a losing season imo. A bowl game is the post season, and recognized as a "reward" for going .500+. Soooo in a sense he only had 2 losing seasons. Just a little food for thought budddd...
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I know math is hard, but let's try this again, real slow like....

2010- when Coach Dooley was it's coach on the sideline, Tennessee won 6 games and lost 7 games. I guess it was really good that he actually won as many games (6) in the regular season as he lost... it was certainly not something he was used to. Nonetheless, he lost his 7th game as a coach that year when they lost to NorthCarolina in the bowl game. To recap the math, 7 is more than 6.

2011- when Coach Dooley was its coach on the sideline Tennessee one five games and lost seven games. Well looky there, he won fewer games his second year, after 2 full years on the job, than he did his first year, right during the worst AD/football program disaster ever known to man. Why, there were things in that AD that he had to deal with that we.....oops, sorry, you know the rest, this is your line after all.

2012- when Coach Dooley was its coach on the sideline Tennessee won 4 games and lost seven games. Well looky there, he won fewer games his third year, after three full years on the job, than he did in either his first or second years.

I'm sure you'll disagree with this and rattle on about Kiffin's mess, the atrocities of the Athletic department that only he could possibly face and fix and something about the shadow of Gruden hanging over our young hero Derek.... but his record was his record..... and I still contend that he did less damage on the field to the program than he did off it.
 
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CroKev said:
Just read Freak's post on the APR and I want to say congratulations to the teams for their work in the classroom (especially the BB team for scoring a 980!). When I was at UT a millenium ago, the BB team had by far the lowest scores. Kudos to Cuonzo for doing a great job in that regard. What I cannot understand is why baseball is so low. Probably the most surprising thing of all was that the Lady Vols basketball team actually tanked from the previous period.

Overall in the SEC our football team ranked dead last (Missouri and S. Carolina were tied for first) in multi-season APR and we barely qualified for post season play (2 points above the minimum). Kudos to CBJ for putting us on the right trajectory, however, and teaching these young men to take this seriously.:thumbsup:

Btw, does anyone know Pedigo's APR?
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Sorry man...my last response was for KB not u.
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KBVol said:
I know math is hard, but let's try this again, real slow like....

2010- when Coach Dooley was it's coach on the sideline, Tennessee won 6 games and lost 7 games. I guess it was really good that he actually won as many games (6) in the regular season as he lost... it was certainly not something he was used to. Nonetheless, he lost his 7th game as a coach that year when they lost to NorthCarolina in the bowl game. To recap the math, 7 is more than 6.

2011- when Coach Dooley was its coach on the sideline Tennessee one five games and lost seven games. Well looky there, he won fewer games his second year, after 2 full years on the job, than he did his first year, right during the worst AD/football program disaster ever known to man. Why, there were things in that AD that he had to deal with that we.....oops, sorry, you know the rest, this is your line after all.

2012- when Coach Dooley was its coach on the sideline Tennessee won 4 games and lost seven games. Well looky there, he won fewer games his third year, after three full years on the job, than he did in either his first or second years.

I'm sure you'll disagree with this and rattle on about Kiffin's mess, the atrocities of the Athletic department that only he could possibly face and fix and something about the shadow of Gruden hanging over our young hero Derek.... but his record was his record..... and I still contend that he did less damage on the field to the program than he did off it.
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Ha!! Ur such a joke. U just proved my pt about how concepts just go over ur head man. In '10 Dooley went 6-6 which is .500. That's not a losing regular season. Cause if it were he wouldn't have gone to the bowl game. which is a reward and the POST season. So he didn't have 3 consecutive losing regular seasons he had 2. Did u understand that math buddd???
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Oskie Volum said:
Ha!! Ur such a joke. U just proved my pt about how concepts just go over ur head man. In '10 Dooley went 6-6 which is .500. That's not a losing regular season. Cause if it were he wouldn't have gone to the bowl game. which is a reward and the POST season. So he didn't have 3 consecutive losing regular seasons he had 2. Did u understand that math buddd???
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I'm a glutton for punishment. I admit I've almost come to enjoy your condescending, "I'm smarter than you" insults.

I understood your point. Kudos to Dooley for not posting a losing regular season his first year like he did his 2nd and 3rd years, after he'd really gotten his hooks into the program. He got to a bowl game and believe it or not, I was 1000% behind him at that point. He did however lose that game which gave him 7 losses and a losing season .... you appear to be the only person in the country who doesn't count our 6-7 total record that year as a losing season.

I was still a Dooley guy, a Dooley supporter throughout the 2011 season. Not that OregonVol thinks anything of me now, but he really would've let me have it back then had I been a poster on VN.....I was one of the guys who still had Dooley's back, still hoped he would succeed when many thought it was obvious he wouldn't. I was actually still in DD's corner until the Missouri game in 2012.... that's when he lost me.

All the subsequent things that have come out about how Dooley conducted his business as UTs HC regarding his treatment of former players, his poor recruiting work ethic, the damaged HS coaches relationships he cultivated, his poor recruiting, his poor job with managing the academic side/APR of the program, etc, etc. The poor state he left the program, my program, our program in....the hole that we're trying to dig out of....to the point that Vandy, Western Ky and Utah St fans come on this forum to talk smack about how much we suck and that they're sure they'll beat us.... that's Dooley's legacy and I resent him for it and I just can't figure out how in the world you don't/won't see it and still defend the indefensible.

Oh well, whatever Oskie. I'm not changing your mind and you sure as hell ain't changing mine. Have a good one.
 
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KBVol said:
I'm a glutton for punishment. I admit I've almost come to enjoy your condescending, "I'm smarter than you" insults.

I understood your point. Kudos to Dooley for not posting a losing regular season his first year like he did his 2nd and 3rd years, after he'd really gotten his hooks into the program. He got to a bowl game and believe it or not, I was 1000% behind him at that point. He did however lose that game which gave him 7 losses and a losing season .... you appear to be the only person in the country who doesn't count our 6-7 total record that year as a losing season.

I was still a Dooley guy, a Dooley supporter throughout the 2011 season. Not that OregonVol thinks anything of me now, but he really would've let me have it back then had I been a poster on VN.....I was one of the guys who still had Dooley's back, still hoped he would succeed when many thought it was obvious he wouldn't. I was actually still in DD's corner until the Missouri game in 2012.... that's when he lost me.

All the subsequent things that have come out about how Dooley conducted his business as UTs HC regarding his treatment of former players, his poor recruiting work ethic, the damaged HS coaches relationships he cultivated, his poor recruiting, his poor job with managing the academic side/APR of the program, etc, etc. The poor state he left the program, my program, our program in....the hole that we're trying to dig out of....to the point that Vandy, Western Ky and Utah St fans come on this forum to talk smack about how much we suck and that they're sure they'll beat us.... that's Dooley's legacy and I resent him for it and I just can't figure out how in the world you don't/won't see it and still defend the indefensible.

Oh well, whatever Oskie. I'm not changing your mind and you sure as hell ain't changing mine. Have a good one.
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KB...I know u held out as much as most could and some. Trust me man I'm a lurker way more than a poster on here. I remember random single posts from yrs ago that people will be surprised anyone would remember. I read entire threads before I post. So I don't just form opinions on the spot. I take WAY to many factors into consideration. Thing is that urs (and many others) hate towards Dooley is at "psycho ex-gf" levels sometimes man. He is a part of UT history and always will be. U look at the way he treated former players as being an a**hole. I look at it as he walked into a cluster f*** and needed to figure a way to get control of the asylum. And what he said was taken 2nd hand style. I look at the fact that he hired multiple former Vols onto his staff, and CBJ not doing so. See what I did there??

I love UT just as much as u or anyone on this board does. My concern is that we are going to be in the same boat in a couple of yrs if people don't realize that YES these forums do make a difference. Wanting another coach mid season...ala The Gruden Fiasco...does make a difference. If the Legion of the Miserable doesn't start to control itself UT will never get to where it deserves to be. That's all I care about no matter who is the HC.
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Ohhh and...i don't think oregonvol would be happy with anyone. He has good pts sometimes, but has no wiggle room of understanding why things take time. At least the guy is constant, but does need to move to boxers from whitey tighties.
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Oskie Volum said:
KB...I know u held out as much as most could and some. Trust me man I'm a lurker way more than a poster on here. I remember random single posts from yrs ago that people will be surprised anyone would remember. I read entire threads before I post. So I don't just form opinions on the spot. I take WAY to many factors into consideration. Thing is that urs (and many others) hate towards Dooley is at "psycho ex-gf" levels sometimes man. He is a part of UT history and always will be. U look at the way he treated former players as being an a**hole. I look at it as he walked into a cluster f*** and needed to figure a way to get control of the asylum. And what he said was taken 2nd hand style. I look at the fact that he hired multiple former Vols onto his staff, and CBJ not doing so. See what I did there??

I love UT just as much as u or anyone on this board does. My concern is that we are going to be in the same boat in a couple of yrs if people don't realize that YES these forums do make a difference. Wanting another coach mid season...ala The Gruden Fiasco...does make a difference. If the Legion of the Miserable doesn't start to control itself UT will never get to where it deserves to be. That's all I care about no matter who is the HC.
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Currently you're one of the few "miserables" around that consistently questions and criticizes Butch.

Trying to find negatives in all the positives must be difficult. Not sure why either.

I supported Dooley longer than most, but 2012 showed us how bad our program was. The job was simply too big for him.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Currently you're one of the few "miserables" around that consistently questions and criticizes Butch.

Trying to find negatives in all the positives must be difficult. Not sure why either.

I supported Dooley longer than most, but 2012 showed us how bad our program was. The job was simply too big for him.
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I'm sure if u really understood my posts u would see, if u r capable, that my "criticism" is mainly of the fan base. And in case u want to come back to me with a lame "well don't be a UT fan" comment. I'm not the one who coin the fan base "The Legion of the Miserable.". So tell that guy what u want to tell me.
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Oskie Volum said:
I'm sure if u really understood my posts u would see, if u r capable, that my "criticism" is mainly of the fan base. And in case u want to come back to me with a lame "well don't be a UT fan" comment. I'm not the one who coin the fan base "The Legion of the Miserable.". So tell that guy what u want to tell me.
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Tell Coach Majors? Why?
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Ahhhh so u see that my compliants about this fan base isn't just me being cray cray...
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I guess you have a point. Not sure I understand what it is.

Maybe it is that our fans expect more than one .500 regular season, 2 losing seasons and a bowl loss every 3 yrs. also that our fans expect not to get penalized due to failure to meet minimum APR. If that's crazy count me in.

Your constant defense of Derek Dooley is incomprehensible to me.

Also if you've supported Butch I haven't noticed - again very difficult to understand.

Are you a Tennessee fan or a Derek Dooley fan?

For many (including myself) these are mutually exclusive.
 
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