UT: No more funding aid for sports (GVX story)

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Typical liberal white tower mindset. Money the athletic dept. contributes to the academic side is like a tax. But the academic side thinks of it like it is their money and always has been and will be. So if they "allow" you to not give it to them for 3 years, in their mind, they are giving money to the athletic dept that is really theirs, regardless of the fact that it was produced and created from the athletic dept to begin with. So they will now act as though, through their own largesse, they are keeping the athletic dept afloat. So you can probably get ready to hear that from Cheek and his ilk for at least the next 3 years. :banghead2:
 
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thayes9 said:
The academic side has never given money to the athletic side at The University of Tennessee. UTK academics has agreed to stop taking a 6 million dollar yearly donation from UTK athletics. All this article states is that the board at UTK has stated that they will not give money to sports from the academic side on top of no longer taking the donation. People are turning this to make us look bad but really this is just smart financing to save our athletic department that was bled dry by coaching changes and the academic department.

On another note, Tennessee is one of the few athletic departments that makes a profit almost every year and has donated back to a school instead of being financially supported by the school. On top of that, the UTAD has been donating 6 mil a year to the academic side which is ridiculous compared to the amounts the few other profitable school sports programs give back. Most do a profit percentage donation at the end of the year.
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I would agree with this.....Tennessee also has the luxery of having a self supported Woman's BB team, unlike MOST schools.

And, if I'm not mistaken, doesnt the football revenue support 30 different sports at UT?
 
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thayes9 said:
The academic side has never given money to the athletic side at The University of Tennessee. UTK academics has agreed to stop taking a 6 million dollar yearly donation from UTK athletics. All this article states is that the board at UTK has stated that they will not give money to sports from the academic side on top of no longer taking the donation. People are turning this to make us look bad but really this is just smart financing to save our athletic department that was bled dry by coaching changes and the academic department.

On another note, Tennessee is one of the few athletic departments that makes a profit almost every year and has donated back to a school instead of being financially supported by the school. On top of that, the UTAD has been donating 6 mil a year to the academic side which is ridiculous compared to the amounts the few other profitable school sports programs give back. Most do a profit percentage donation at the end of the year.
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Not quite correct. The Academic side gives money every year to the Athletic side in the form of fees that we used to call Student Activity Fees. If they cut this section of funding off, will they no longer collect as much from students? Will student ticket prices go up exponentially? Or does the funding in this article even address those issues?
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Cut the book readers off...time for them to get out in the cold, dark world and learn to survive on their own or die. The football program can continue to feed fish to the nerds OR we can teach them how to fish...and leave them to stave to death.

Shut that stupid college part down. It is a distraction for the players.
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Who needs a degree from a state institution when you can get one online with life experience as credits!?
 
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TNGlen said:
Not quite correct. The Academic side gives money every year to the Athletic side in the form of fees that we used to call Student Activity Fees. If they cut this section of funding off, will they no longer collect as much from students? Will student ticket prices go up exponentially? Or does the funding in this article even address those issues?
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I thought the student activity fees were used to pay for TRECS and other things? I could be wrong though. Of course when I was UT, student tickets for football games were free.
 
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the university needs to quit taking all these football millions---they can cut their own costs and figure out how to get more money. UT needs all this money to compete with the big time programs in the SEC.
 
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ut18vols said:
So now that the articles are posted above my question is: Wasn't the athletic side donating $6 million/year to academic side until the recent agreement with Hart and Cheek? This article makes it sounds like the athletics has been taking money from the academic side, which to my knowledge isn't true. The athletic side donates to the academic side to build unity between the two I would think.
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I read those articles and my head started spinning. I had the same question. WTF? Somebody - pencil necked geek in finance - wants to make sure they get that money back. This is the same ploy politicians use with the media right before they break one off in us.
 
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TNGlen said:
Not quite correct. The Academic side gives money every year to the Athletic side in the form of fees that we used to call Student Activity Fees. If they cut this section of funding off, will they no longer collect as much from students? Will student ticket prices go up exponentially? Or does the funding in this article even address those issues?
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This is true...as a UT parent
I have two kids in the UT Band and they are majoring in Engineering. They pay fees as part of their student tuition that is given to the AD. I'd say that qualifies as the academic side giving to the AD side....but it's complicated.

Since both my kids are members of the Pride and the Lady Vols Pep Band they are also members of the Athletic Dept just like a football player is. Any money they are given to help
them out on band expenses for travel/food, cleaning uniforms etc. comes from the athletic dept.
They have to pay fees to the AD to even be in band.

They are also signed up with the UT Band as an academic class...so they actually get a grade and class credits for being in the band and they pay tuition to the school for that.

When the AD started trying to cut back on band travel this year (our director wasn't happy with that!) I knew things must be bad...the budget is give and take and the AD and the school need to get on the Love Train and work this out. I think they were trying to do that, but the media has put a negative spin on the situation and instead of reporting facts, they muddy the water with their opinion on why certain decisions are being made.

This is a serious budget situation folks!...we just paid for renovations to the stadium and are making payments on football/basketball/baseball buyouts for fired coaches.
So this football coaching hire was no small decision...especially this time....because we are in trouble with our image for recruiting, our budget and our ability to fill seats in the stadium and it affects everything at the school...and the fans/boosters/alumni/UTparents knew it.
....we HAD to get this right!

If the money doesn't come in because there is a lack of support for the Athletic Department's decision and no one goes to the games (especially if we have a losing season)...then we'll really be in a mess.

Coach Jones...I sure hope you can deliver....no pressure.

The journalists/media aren't helping the situation.
 
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davethevol said:
I have a feeling that Jax is a college educated fellow with his level of humor that goes over the heads of so many posters.
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Well, thank you Dave! My wife would say that is an "attempted level of humor". And yes, I am a college grad.


But I'm in here trying to represent the view of the girls working on the line down at the pajama factory.
 
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VolsBandMom said:
This is true...as a UT parent
I have two kids in the UT Band and they are majoring in Engineering. They pay fees as part of their student tuition that is given to the AD. I'd say that qualifies as the academic side giving to the AD side....but it's complicated.

Since both my kids are members of the Pride and the Lady Vols Pep Band they are also members of the Athletic Dept just like a football player is. Any money they are given to help
them out on band expenses for travel/food, cleaning uniforms etc. comes from the athletic dept.
They have to pay fees to the AD to even be in band.

They are also signed up with the UT Band as an academic class...so they actually get a grade and class credits for being in the band and they pay tuition to the school for that.

When the AD started trying to cut back on band travel this year (our director wasn't happy with that!) I knew things must be bad...the budget is give and take and the AD and the school need to get on the Love Train and work this out. I think they were trying to do that, but the media has put a negative spin on the situation and instead of reporting facts, they muddy the water with their opinion on why certain decisions are being made.

This is a serious budget situation folks!...we just paid for renovations to the stadium and are making payments on football/basketball/baseball buyouts for fired coaches.
So this football coaching hire was no small decision...especially this time....because we are in trouble with our image for recruiting, our budget and our ability to fill seats in the stadium and it affects everything at the school...and the fans/boosters/alumni/UTparents knew it.
....we HAD to get this right!

If the money doesn't come in because there is a lack of support for the Athletic Department's decision and no one goes to the games (especially if we have a losing season)...then we'll really be in a mess.

Coach Jones...I sure hope you can deliver....no pressure.

The journalists/media aren't helping the situation.
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Soooo hey baaaaaaaaaby...how YOU doing?
 
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There would be no Tennessee Volunteers football if there was no University of Tennessee, which is an ACADEMIC institution.

My obsessive interest in UT and college football probably falls in the 'unhealthy' category, but several posts in this thread (which i'm hoping are just trolls) represent the misguided priorities of our society. Yet, we wonder where things went wrong.
 
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douglas67 said:
I would agree with this.....Tennessee also has the luxery of having a self supported Woman's BB team, unlike MOST schools.

And, if I'm not mistaken, doesnt the football revenue support 30 different sports at UT?
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Are you sure about this? I thought I remembered reading that even women's basketball needed a little funding.
 
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I completely agree. The problem is, at the end of the day these universities that serve as a facade to the athletic departments are indeed academic institutions. The problem is under their nose the Athletic Departments have become in essence semi-pro/minor leagues to some sports. Namely football and basketball, and to top it off they both have become very big money businesses in themselves. What used to be some students of a college who happened to have some ability and love for the game along with their Alma Mater, has now ballooned into the multibillion dollar industry of being the farm system for the pros. And for that money machine to churn, they are under the pressure to produce wins. It's why I laugh out loud every time the NCAA tries running those "most go pro at any other position than sports." Ok ya, they do, but you really need to finish that with "but while they are here, we are going to make millions off of them!"

Frankly to me this is just a situation of the chickens coming home to roost. While the times were good the AD pumped a lot of money back into Academics, but now they are really hurting, due to a lot of firings that produced hefty buyouts. And since they didn't really use their profits to build a rainy day fund, Hart is over at the chancellor's office, tin cup in hand, trying to get some of that money back. It's an ugly situation and I'm not sure it will be dug out with so much unknown. We have no idea if CBJ is going to be a success yet. We have a new era starting in Women's Basketball, and there is no guarantee it will enjoy the same popularity as before. And right now, as much as it pains me to say this about a former Boiler, I'm not sure the Men's Basketball are guaranteed to be humming either.

Lots and lots of sugar cookies and eggnog for this holiday as a Vol Fan huh?
 
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Jax_Vol said:
THIS!!! That is how Bama got $100 million in reserves to build a power. We can do the same. The football side should never, ever, ever give another dime to that fricken academic booger picking bunch of virgin nerds.
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Hyams was on 104.5 (Nashville) this morning discussing the Maisel blog. He said that Dave Hart had commented that Alabama football gives the school $1 million annually, and the athletic department at UT gives the school over $10 million a year. I cant remember the exact amout Hyams reported, but I want to say he said closer to $20 million annually, and that the $6 million/year that the football program will not be giving over the next 3 years will be going to rebuild the reserves. He also commented that, according to Hart, the reserves at Alabama were well in excess of $100 million. If my numbers are not correct I apologize, but I was completely floored that UT athletics donations to the academic side was so disproportional compared to other schools.
 
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jfite9 said:
Hyams was on 104.5 (Nashville) this morning discussing the Maisel blog. He said that Dave Hart had commented that Alabama football gives the school $1 million annually, and the athletic department at UT gives the school over $10 million a year. I cant remember the exact amout Hyams reported, but I want to say he said closer to $20 million annually, and that the $6 million/year that the football program will not be giving over the next 3 years will be going to rebuild the reserves. He also commented that, according to Hart, the reserves at Alabama were well in excess of $100 million. If my numbers are not correct I apologize, but I was completely floored that UT athletics donations to the academic side was so disproportional compared to other schools.
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This is accurate so the printed stories are full of inaccuracies. How unusual! The acadenic side has been enjoying the milk from the cash cow long enough. Like congress a decrease in contributions are stated that they are spending cuts. By the way the coaches buyouts have come from athletic donors so it really is a misnomer.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Soooo hey baaaaaaaaaby...how YOU doing?
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Love that song...I'm hoping my UT Band kids get to also play Rocky Top and Down The Field a whole hellava lot this season!!!

Put on a winning show and the money will take care of itself.
...Give em "The Business" Coach Jones and while yer at it sic that 'junk bitin' crazy blue tic hound on the other mascots and bite em in the ssa !!! That'll proclaim the fear of the Vols is back!!

Just once I wanna hear the coach yell "PYLE!" when we screw up...lol! He looks like Sgt Carter to me.

GO VOLS!
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Well, thank you....some days it just flows from the fingers.
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Obviously,since the brain had no part in your comments. I've been a vols fan for 48 years. In case it never dawned on you,without the academic side there would be no university. Which means no athletic department.which means NO football program. Academics is the sole purpose for a university. Education! Ever heard of it? So those of you who think the university exist for the football program,think again your backa$$wards.
 
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petebee50 said:
Obviously,since the brain had no part in your comments. I've been a vols fan for 48 years. In case it never dawned on you,without the academic side there would be no university. Which means no athletic department.which means NO football program. Academics is the sole purpose for a university. Education! Ever heard of it? So those of you who think the university exist for the football program,think again your backa$$wards.
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You are correct with your way too logical arguement college is still about learning. :hi:

However I still cannot understand why we are trying to hold UT athletics to academic standards higher than our rivals while whoring out the football program revenues to buy the booger eater anything on the academic side?
 
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VolsBandMom said:
Love that song...I'm hoping my UT Band kids get to also play Rocky Top and Down The Field a whole hellava lot this season!!!

Put on a winning show and the money will take care of itself.
...Give em "The Business" Coach Jones and while yer at it sic that 'junk bitin' crazy blue tic hound on the other mascots and bite em in the ssa !!! That'll proclaim the fear of the Vols is back!!

Just once I wanna hear the coach yell "PYLE!" when we screw up...lol! He looks like Sgt Carter to me.

GO VOLS!
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Uh, what song?
 
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petebee50 said:
Obviously,since the brain had no part in your comments. I've been a vols fan for 48 years. In case it never dawned on you,without the academic side there would be no university. Which means no athletic department.which means NO football program. Academics is the sole purpose for a university. Education! Ever heard of it? So those of you who think the university exist for the football program,think again your backa$$wards.
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Wut?
 
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