UT or UNC for the Last #1 Seed

#26
#26
I'd honestly have UNC ahead of us right now. They have one less loss. They beat us head to head, albeit on their home court, and they have kept all their losses under 7 points except for an 11 point loss to UConn on a nuetral court.

I think if we win the SEC tournament, we will get the #1. If they win the ACC tournament and we don't win the SEC, I think they are in. I think we neee to make it to the final at the minimum, and if we happen to play UK in the final, I think that game would matter to the committee.
 
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#27
#27
If they cater to blue bloods, how was Alabama the overall #1 seed last year and Gonzaga two consecutive years before that?
This “Simpleton Goes to Town” children’s book you keep selling is problematic for anyone trying to understand how this works. Given clear metrics and no major rule conflict, the committee will choose the path as defined by the guidelines. Full stop. When there is ambiguity, the sway of influence changes the outcome. Our 3 seed behind KY in 22 is an example. Duke’s preferential seed in 23 is an example. Neither case you listed fits that intersection of ambiguity and an opening for interpretation. Stop squawking about “Why Alabama?” which involved no complexity (they were a 1 in their home region and earned it) or “Why Gonzaga?” (Again a 1 in their home region). If you want to actually take on the complexity of the situation, then give specific examples where a hard choice was made against a blue blood, a strong narrative, a compelling matchup opportunity, a team that naturally fits a region, time zone etc. They absolutely weigh ratings, storylines, power conferences, regional affiliations etc. when the door is open to do so. You reducing this to your binary literalist read on the situation does everyone a disservice. You have no experience with the matter, no connection to any real life situation involving the tournament, and no understanding of any aspect beyond what Google has told you. Still you continue to hammer your pedantic case into the ground anytime you get the chance. You’ve guaranteed a one seed for Tennessee. On that matter, I hope you’re incidentally or accidentally correct. As for you actually being able to handle any information beyond black and white, you apparently can’t. Let’s hope our team does the work to get a one seed so you don’t have to sit in a puddle of your own making.
 
#28
#28
If they cater to blue bloods, how was Alabama the overall #1 seed last year and Gonzaga two consecutive years before that?
By being the number 1 teams in the country at the time of seeding the NCAA tournament......Not sure that your statement holds much steam here.

Bama dominated the SEC tournament last year. The only blue blood in the convo last year for a #1 seed was Kansas. They weren't in the same space as Bama at that moment because they got blasted in their last regular season game, and again in the Big 12 Championship by Texas both games for a combined 36 points over the two games, with a 20 point dragging in the Big 12 Championship.

In 21/22 it was a similar situation. Gonzaga was #1 heading into the tournament. The only blue blood in the top 4 prior to the tournament was again Kansas at #3 (UK and Duke were 7 and 9, so in 2 seed land).

At the end of 20/21 there wasn't a blue blood in the top 10 prior to the start of the tournament. Gonzaga that year didn't lose a single game prior to the championship game with Baylor.

This is about the committee making selections on Sunday where they will be forced to determine seeds for a myriad of reasons, and if you consider analytics, we are the "better team" despite having lost to UNC. That said, the committee is likely to allow that bias to come into play. Its just a general part of life. It could happen if the discussion was about a 2 seed, a 3 seed, etc...
 
#30
#30
UNC will jump over us to 4th today in the AP Poll and if we both fare similarly the rest of the season, they get the tiebreaker for defeating us in the regular season.

Don't humans pick the seeding? I can't see us overcoming our loss to be a #1 unless UNC fizzles out early in the ACCT.

Also, do you guys remember when we won the SECT and it didn't improve our seeding? Fool me once...
 
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This “Simpleton Goes to Town” children’s book you keep selling is problematic for anyone trying to understand how this works. Given clear metrics and no major rule conflict, the committee will choose the path as defined by the guidelines. Full stop. When there is ambiguity, the sway of influence changes the outcome. Our 3 seed behind KY in 22 is an example. Duke’s preferential seed in 23 is an example. Neither case you listed fits that intersection of ambiguity and an opening for interpretation. Stop squawking about “Why Alabama?” which involved no complexity (they were a 1 in their home region and earned it) or “Why Gonzaga?” (Again a 1 in their home region). If you want to actually take on the complexity of the situation, then give specific examples where a hard choice was made against a blue blood, a strong narrative, a compelling matchup opportunity, a team that naturally fits a region, time zone etc. They absolutely weigh ratings, storylines, power conferences, regional affiliations etc. when the door is open to do so. You reducing this to your binary literalist read on the situation does everyone a disservice. You have no experience with the matter, no connection to any real life situation involving the tournament, and no understanding of any aspect beyond what Google has told you. Still you continue to hammer your pedantic case into the ground anytime you get the chance. You’ve guaranteed a one seed for Tennessee. On that matter, I hope you’re incidentally or accidentally correct. As for you actually being able to handle any information beyond black and white, you apparently can’t. Let’s hope our team does the work to get a one seed so you don’t have to sit in a puddle of your own making.
Don't do it VolCalls...
 
#35
#35
UNC will jump over us to 4th today in the AP Poll and if we both fare similarly the rest of the season, they get the tiebreaker for defeating us in the regular season.

Don't humans pick the seeding? I can't see us overcoming our loss to be a #1 unless UNC fizzles out early in the ACCT.

Also, do you guys remember when we won the SECT and it didn't improve our seeding? Fool me once...
They don’t seed based off the AP poll
 
#39
#39
I know that. I'm saying general human perception will have UNC above us and humans will seed the tourney. That's a lot to overcome, along with the rest of what people have said here.
I would say that last year we were #20 in the final AP poll prior to the tournament and Duke was #12. We got the 4 seed and Duke got the 5.
 
#43
#43
This “Simpleton Goes to Town” children’s book you keep selling is problematic for anyone trying to understand how this works. Given clear metrics and no major rule conflict, the committee will choose the path as defined by the guidelines. Full stop. When there is ambiguity, the sway of influence changes the outcome. Our 3 seed behind KY in 22 is an example. Duke’s preferential seed in 23 is an example. Neither case you listed fits that intersection of ambiguity and an opening for interpretation. Stop squawking about “Why Alabama?” which involved no complexity (they were a 1 in their home region and earned it) or “Why Gonzaga?” (Again a 1 in their home region). If you want to actually take on the complexity of the situation, then give specific examples where a hard choice was made against a blue blood, a strong narrative, a compelling matchup opportunity, a team that naturally fits a region, time zone etc. They absolutely weigh ratings, storylines, power conferences, regional affiliations etc. when the door is open to do so. You reducing this to your binary literalist read on the situation does everyone a disservice. You have no experience with the matter, no connection to any real life situation involving the tournament, and no understanding of any aspect beyond what Google has told you. Still you continue to hammer your pedantic case into the ground anytime you get the chance. You’ve guaranteed a one seed for Tennessee. On that matter, I hope you’re incidentally or accidentally correct. As for you actually being able to handle any information beyond black and white, you apparently can’t. Let’s hope our team does the work to get a one seed so you don’t have to sit in a puddle of your own making.
Wrong. I have a lot more real life experience with these things than you think, but keep spewing your rhetoric. Good day.

Welcome to the ignore button.
 
#44
#44
Personally, I want a one seed just because it’s historic. First time ever. Win 2 in the sec tournament and I think it’s a done deal. Also, a question. If we get the fourth #1 seed don’t we play the first #2 in the region finals? So either way, if we get fourth #1 or 1st #2 don’t we line up with North Carolina in the region finals? The good news is, if it comes to that, it won’t be in Greensboro or Charlotte where they usually get to play. Another thing. Did DK’s 40 points put him past Sears to lead the conference in scoring? I know Sears was ahead by a third of a point or something going in.

Too lazy to look up or do maths but that should put Knecht slightly over Sears in PPG.
 
#45
#45
Wrong. I have a lot more real life experience with these things than you think, but keep spewing your rhetoric. Good day.

Welcome to the ignore button.

I’d ignore me if I were you too. I was about to ask you what “these things” are but it’s probably better for you to spend some time alone.
 
#46
#46
This “Simpleton Goes to Town” children’s book you keep selling is problematic for anyone trying to understand how this works. Given clear metrics and no major rule conflict, the committee will choose the path as defined by the guidelines. Full stop. When there is ambiguity, the sway of influence changes the outcome. Our 3 seed behind KY in 22 is an example. Duke’s preferential seed in 23 is an example. Neither case you listed fits that intersection of ambiguity and an opening for interpretation. Stop squawking about “Why Alabama?” which involved no complexity (they were a 1 in their home region and earned it) or “Why Gonzaga?” (Again a 1 in their home region). If you want to actually take on the complexity of the situation, then give specific examples where a hard choice was made against a blue blood, a strong narrative, a compelling matchup opportunity, a team that naturally fits a region, time zone etc. They absolutely weigh ratings, storylines, power conferences, regional affiliations etc. when the door is open to do so. You reducing this to your binary literalist read on the situation does everyone a disservice. You have no experience with the matter, no connection to any real life situation involving the tournament, and no understanding of any aspect beyond what Google has told you. Still you continue to hammer your pedantic case into the ground anytime you get the chance. You’ve guaranteed a one seed for Tennessee. On that matter, I hope you’re incidentally or accidentally correct. As for you actually being able to handle any information beyond black and white, you apparently can’t. Let’s hope our team does the work to get a one seed so you don’t have to sit in a puddle of your own making.

I nominate this post for multiple annual VN awards. It's still early in the calendar year but late in 23-24 basketball season. This probably wins the basketball season award for "Best non-BTO recap or Game Thread Post" category for 2024.

It absolutely wins basketball season's award for "Completely and Totally Owned, Take A Lap & Contemplate Improving Your Life" post category by a landslide and will be a frontrunner all year for the annual 2024 all-around best post awards.

I say good day sir.
 
#49
#49
I’d ignore me if I were you too. I was about to ask you what “these things” are but it’s probably better for you to spend some time alone.

This exchange is highly entertaining but makes me feel bad. It's like those videos where regular people (usually homeless) get paid to fight a trained fighter. Can't look away but feel kinda bad even if the fighter is going kinda easy on them.
 
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