'24 UTah WR/TE Roger Saleapaga (Oregon commit)

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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
Not sure on Echols.

But the coaches are extremely high on Okoye. I would bet he is pushed this off season to be ready for next year.
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He has all the potential in the world but I’d bet dollars to donuts it’ll be at least two years if not more before he’s ready to contribute. Hard to make the jump from never playing a position, and barely playing the sport at all, to playing SEC ball.
 
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EdEcEko77 said:
He has all the potential in the world but I’d bet dollars to donuts it’ll be at least two years if not more before he’s ready to contribute. Hard to make the jump from never playing a position, and barely playing the sport at all, to playing SEC ball.
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And with the out of control portal, you have to wonder if development is even worth it anymore?
 
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CAVPUT said:
And with the out of control portal, you have to wonder if development is even worth it anymore?
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I think it depends on the ceiling. When you look at a guy like Okoye, his ceiling is NFL star TE. So it’s worth developing him. If he develops and becomes Kyle Pitts good for a year or two, it was worth it. If another guy’s ceiling is, say, McCallan Castles (who I liked), it’s probably not worth keeping him in scholarship for 2 years to develop him while he never plays because you can get someone like that from the portal.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
If 11-2 is average, what is JH? Y'all just say stuff to say stuff.
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Likely referencing how good the situation was for Lanning that he walked into. But I also don’t think Lanning is average so far. Interested to see how Oregon looks moving forward.

Heup has done a better coaching job to this point tho IMO bc he’s had to do more.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
If 11-2 is average, what is JH? Y'all just say stuff to say stuff.
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Yes, that’s average when you’ve had a QB that’s thrown for 8000 passing yards, 70 TDs to 10 ints

Mario won two PAC-12 championships.
A 4-3 OREGON TEAM WON THE PAC12 in 2020 led by Anthony Brown lololol

If it makes you feel better, I’ll meet you in the middle and call him Richt 2.0.
 
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EdEcEko77 said:
Same but they’re too finesse. Don’t have the bodies in thr front seven. They’re the kind of team Georgia would destroy with depth.
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They are Tennessee from 2022. Great entertainment and fun to watch, and easy to pull for. A transfer senior QB who hung around for his 5th year and doesn't make mistakes, a couple NFL-caliber WRs, and a very susceptible defense. But they aren't deep with talent and they won't he able to just outscore a team like UGA or Michigan who have elite defenses.
 
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CAVPUT said:
And with the out of control portal, you have to wonder if development is even worth it anymore?
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Basilio had a guy on his show, yesterday (name escapes me at the moment) who essentially said that until the NCAA changes the portal and NIL rules, he'd never recruit and waste resources on a high school QB ever again if he were a coach.

Basically, he pointed out how you invest time, effort, and NIL dollars in these kids out of high school and they can leave you whenever they want with the free one-time transfer rule and you don't even really know if they can play before throwing hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of dollars at them (Quinn Ewers, for example).

On the other hand, you have kids jumping into the portal that have produced on the field and are looking for a bigger payday, and once they transfer, they're locked in until they graduate and potentially choose to transfer again as a graduate transfer. In many of those cases (Ward, D. Moore, R. Leonard, Max Johnson, etc.), you've seen evidence of their ability in real games and can make a more sound financial investment in them and they are not permitted to transfer again as underclassmen.

It would be a risky proposition each year or two having to rely on a small pool of players, but the logic and financials of his theory made some sense.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Basilio had a guy on his show, yesterday (name escapes me at the moment) who essentially said that until the NCAA changes the portal and NIL rules, he'd never recruit and waste resources on a high school QB ever again if he were a coach.

Basically, he pointed out how you invest time, effort, and NIL dollars in these kids out of high school and they can leave you whenever they want with the free one-time transfer rule and you don't even really know if they can play before throwing hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of dollars at them (Quinn Ewers, for example).

On the other hand, you have kids jumping into the portal that have produced on the field and are looking for a bigger payday, and once they transfer, they're locked in until they graduate and potentially choose to transfer again as a graduate transfer. In many of those cases (Ward, D. Moore, R. Leonard, Max Johnson, etc.), you've seen evidence of their ability in real games and can make a more sound financial investment in them and they are not permitted to transfer again as underclassmen.

It would be a risky proposition each year or two having to rely on a small pool of players, but the logic and financials of his theory made some sense.
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Makes sense for a coach who can’t develop while keeping a kid happy. Vols are about to hit a run of pretty damn good HS QBs.

But this strategy makes sense for lesser coaches.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Makes sense for a coach who can’t develop while keeping a kid happy. Vols are about to hit a run of pretty damn good HS QBs.

But this strategy makes sense for lesser coaches.
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And hopefully high character kids who aren't just looking for a quick payday before bolting because they didn't play immediately.

I'm not sure I'd call Ryan Day a lesser coach, and it happened to him with Ewers. And he hasn't strayed from the traditional route of taking high school kids and developing them, either, so perhaps that was a one-off situation.

I think to your point, it might be less about the coaches (to an extent) and more about the school profile. Your Washington State, Missouri, Purdue, Mississippi State type programs might find that new model of QB recruiting more appealing than landing the really good QB out of high school and watching him get poached by a bigger school with more buying power.
 
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cncchris33 said:
And hopefully high character kids who aren't just looking for a quick payday before bolting because they didn't play immediately.

I'm not sure I'd call Ryan Day a lesser coach, and it happened to him with Ewers. And he hasn't strayed from the traditional route of taking high school kids and developing them, either, so perhaps that was a one-off situation.

I think to your point, it might be less about the coaches (to an extent) and more about the school profile. Your Washington State, Missouri, Purdue, Mississippi State type programs might find that new model of QB recruiting more appealing than landing the really good QB and watching him get poached by a bigger school with more buying power.
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Ole Miss and Kiffin also seem like a place that will never have a HS QB be their guy again. And simply from a strategy perspective I like that for them. He’s not gonna have trouble landing an elite guy out of HS that he can spend time developing.
 
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