UTs offense will be similar to Oregon Offense.

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Vol865 said:
It will look nothing like Oregons offense besides the read option....Oregon uses west coast passing concepts. We are still using pro style passing concepts. Oregon is a finesse team that want to beat you on the perimeter. CBJ has demaded physicality time and time again. Just because we are in shotgun more doesn't automatically make us Oregon, no matter how fast the ball moves downfield.
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You sir have nailed it. I think coach BJ described it as "a physical pro style up tempo offense."
 
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Vol865 said:
It will look nothing like Oregons offense besides the read option....Oregon uses west coast passing concepts. We are still using pro style passing concepts. Oregon is a finesse team that want to beat you on the perimeter. CBJ has demaded physicality time and time again. Just because we are in shotgun more doesn't automatically make us Oregon, no matter how fast the ball moves downfield.
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The end product then is sort of an amalgamation of two ideologies. The basic conception of the offense is that it is the old spread and shred from the Rich Rod heyday on the ground married to the more staid and conservative west coast passing attack that comes from the Michigan influence that has pervaded Jones time as an assistant.

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Jones very much uses a west coast passing game.

West Coast passing is tried and true pro stuff.

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NFL Teams That Used the West Coast Offense

1970-1975 Cincinnati Bengals - Coached by Paul Brown, offense coordinated by Bill Walsh
1976 San Diego Chargers - Coached by Tommy Prothro, offense coordinated by Bill Walsh
1979-1988 San Francisco 49ers - Coached by Bill Walsh
1989-1996 San Francisco 49ers - Coached by George Seifert, offense coordinated by Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, and Marc Trestman
1992-1998 Green Bay Packers - Coached by Mike Holmgren
1992-2001 Minnesota Vikings - Coached by Dennis Green
1995-2008 Denver Broncos - Coached by Mike Shanahan, offense coordinated by Gary Kubiak and Rick Dennison
1995-1997 Philadelphia Eagles - Coached by Ray Rhodes, offense coordinated by Jon Gruden
1997-2002 San Francisco 49ers - Coached by Steve Mariucci
1998-2001 Oakland Raiders - Coached by Jon Gruden, offense coordinated by Bill Callahan
1999-2001 Carolina Panthers - Coached by George Seifert
1999-2012 Philadelphia Eagles - Coached by Andy Reid
1999-2008 Seattle Seahawks - Coached by Mike Holmgren, offense coordinated by Gil Haskell
2000-2005 Green Bay Packers - Coached by Mike Sherman
2000-2004 New Orleans Saints - Coached by Jim Haslett, offense coordinated by Mike McCarthy
2001-2002 Detroit Lions - Coached by Marty Mornhinweg
2002-2003 Oakland Raiders - Coached by Bill Callahan
2002-2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Coached by Jon Gruden
2003-2005 Detroit Lions - Coached by Steve Mariucci
2004-2006 Arizona Cardinals - Coached by Dennis Green
2006-Present Green Bay Packers - Coached by Mike McCarthy
2006-Present Houston Texans - Coached by Gary Kubiak, offense coordinated by Troy Calhoun, Mike Sherman, Kyle Shanahan, and Rick Dennison
2006-2010 Minnesota Vikings - Coached by Brad Childress
2010 Cleveland Browns - Coached by Eric Mangini, offense coordinated by Brian Daboll
2010-Present Washington Redskins - Coached by Mike Shanahan, offense coordinated by Kyle Shanahan
2011-Present Cincinnati Bengals - Coached by Marvin Lewis , offense coordinated by Jay Gruden
2011-Present San Francisco 49ers - Coached by Jim Harbaugh, offense coordinated by Greg Roman
2011-2012 Cleveland Browns - Coached by Pat Shurmur, offense coordinated by Pat Shurmur and Brad Childress
2012-Present Miami Dolphins - Coached by Joe Philbin, offense coordinated by Mike Sherman
2012-Present St. Louis Rams - Coached by Jeff Fisher, offense coordinated by Brian Schottenheimer
2013-Present Chicago Bears - Coached by Marc Trestman, offense coordinated by Aaron Kromer
2013-Present Kansas City Chiefs - Coached by Andy Reid, offense coordinated by Doug Pederson
2013-Present New York Jets - Coached by Rex Ryan, offense coordinated by Marty Mornhinweg

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When Oregon plays the upper level SEC teams their offense grinds itself into the dirt. Generally, SEC teams have more speed and are deeper than Oregons offense. It always looks like Oregon wears itself down. They just punch themselves out.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Jones very much uses a west coast passing game.

West Coast passing is tried and true pro stuff.

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NFL Teams That Used the West Coast Offense

1970-1975 Cincinnati Bengals - Coached by Paul Brown, offense coordinated by Bill Walsh
1976 San Diego Chargers - Coached by Tommy Prothro, offense coordinated by Bill Walsh
1979-1988 San Francisco 49ers - Coached by Bill Walsh
1989-1996 San Francisco 49ers - Coached by George Seifert, offense coordinated by Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, and Marc Trestman
1992-1998 Green Bay Packers - Coached by Mike Holmgren
1992-2001 Minnesota Vikings - Coached by Dennis Green
1995-2008 Denver Broncos - Coached by Mike Shanahan, offense coordinated by Gary Kubiak and Rick Dennison
1995-1997 Philadelphia Eagles - Coached by Ray Rhodes, offense coordinated by Jon Gruden
1997-2002 San Francisco 49ers - Coached by Steve Mariucci
1998-2001 Oakland Raiders - Coached by Jon Gruden, offense coordinated by Bill Callahan
1999-2001 Carolina Panthers - Coached by George Seifert
1999-2012 Philadelphia Eagles - Coached by Andy Reid
1999-2008 Seattle Seahawks - Coached by Mike Holmgren, offense coordinated by Gil Haskell
2000-2005 Green Bay Packers - Coached by Mike Sherman
2000-2004 New Orleans Saints - Coached by Jim Haslett, offense coordinated by Mike McCarthy
2001-2002 Detroit Lions - Coached by Marty Mornhinweg
2002-2003 Oakland Raiders - Coached by Bill Callahan
2002-2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Coached by Jon Gruden
2003-2005 Detroit Lions - Coached by Steve Mariucci
2004-2006 Arizona Cardinals - Coached by Dennis Green
2006-Present Green Bay Packers - Coached by Mike McCarthy
2006-Present Houston Texans - Coached by Gary Kubiak, offense coordinated by Troy Calhoun, Mike Sherman, Kyle Shanahan, and Rick Dennison
2006-2010 Minnesota Vikings - Coached by Brad Childress
2010 Cleveland Browns - Coached by Eric Mangini, offense coordinated by Brian Daboll
2010-Present Washington Redskins - Coached by Mike Shanahan, offense coordinated by Kyle Shanahan
2011-Present Cincinnati Bengals - Coached by Marvin Lewis , offense coordinated by Jay Gruden
2011-Present San Francisco 49ers - Coached by Jim Harbaugh, offense coordinated by Greg Roman
2011-2012 Cleveland Browns - Coached by Pat Shurmur, offense coordinated by Pat Shurmur and Brad Childress
2012-Present Miami Dolphins - Coached by Joe Philbin, offense coordinated by Mike Sherman
2012-Present St. Louis Rams - Coached by Jeff Fisher, offense coordinated by Brian Schottenheimer
2013-Present Chicago Bears - Coached by Marc Trestman, offense coordinated by Aaron Kromer
2013-Present Kansas City Chiefs - Coached by Andy Reid, offense coordinated by Doug Pederson
2013-Present New York Jets - Coached by Rex Ryan, offense coordinated by Marty Mornhinweg

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I have no doubt there will be some west coast concepts but according to CBJ, it will be a pro style system. And the first sentence of that wiki article says that west coast is more pass oriented, as to where statistics show CBJ likes to run more than pass. With all that said, no matter what he did at another school, whether it be run more than pass or west coast over pro style, it doesn't mean that's what he will do here. For example, a lot of coaches run a spread in conferences like C-USA because they don't have enough talent/size to run a traditional set, so they spread you out.

Edit: I did word that wrong though because west coast concepts are considered part of a pro style offense. Just meant to say Oregon runs spread concepts. My bad.
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Your playbook should have little to do with your tendencies. Childress and Andy Reid run the same offense, but have opposite tendencies. You make tendencies based off of the talent on the team. We will run a very unique offense that i will call Bajakifense. We have a west coast passing concept with a read option style running game. The power comes with the philosophy of the team. The smashmouth mentality develops in practice.

Butch will coach his tendencies in practice. It all starts in the meeting room.
 
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Vol865 said:
I have no doubt there will be some west coast concepts but according to CBJ, it will be a pro style system.
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I'm not sure I follow the distinction that you're trying to make. The west coast offense is a pro-style offense. If he runs west coast passing schemes, it will be pro style, by definition.


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And the first sentence of that wiki article says that west coast is more pass oriented, as to where statistics show CBJ likes to run more than pass.
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The first article I quoted says that he uses west coast passing principles. That doesn't say anything about how often he passes, just that when he does it is west coast passing.


Vol865 said:
With all that said, no matter what he did at another school, whether it be run more than pass or west coast over pro style, it doesn't mean that's what he will do here.
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West coast is pro style.

The stats you quoted earlier refer to precisely what he did at other schools. Spread sets, run-heavy, west coast passing principles. He is not going to change away from what got him here. It's not just what he does. It's who he is.


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For example, a lot of coaches run a spread in conferences like C-USA because they don't have enough talent/size to run a traditional set, so they spread you out.
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Butch Jones runs his philosophy. This philosophy was created by what he's done, where he's done it, who he learned it from. He has said that Rich Rod and Urban Meyer have been his mentors.

You have given no reason to expect him to change, except that you expect him to change. Butch Jones is on record, as UT head coach, as referring to his/our offense as the "power spread".

Trust me. It will be spread formations, run-heavy, with west coast (pro style) passing elements. Much like... Oregon's.


Vol865 said:
Edit: I did word that wrong though because west coast concepts are considered part of a pro style offense. Just meant to say Oregon runs spread concepts. My bad.
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As will UT. Go watch Oregon. It's very similar to what UT will be running. Spread formations, run-heavy, with west coast passing.

:hi:
 
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watching oregon is like watching a home run derby 12 xs a year, or, the pro bowl, or, any womens basketball game!

ok. nothing is that bad. but seriously, one time a year is good. running the ball is great, but, love the control the clock nfl type offense.

**** at this point do what it takes to win then change
 
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Burger said:
Your playbook should have little to do with your tendencies. Childress and Andy Reid run the same offense, but have opposite tendencies. You make tendencies based off of the talent on the team. We will run a very unique offense that i will call Bajakifense. We have a west coast passing concept with a read option style running game. The power comes with the philosophy of the team. The smashmouth mentality develops in practice.

Butch will coach his tendencies in practice. It all starts in the meeting room.
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I agree to an extent but our running game won't just be zone reads. They will still run power, maybe trap, maybe even dive with an offset RB. There will still be plenty of downhill running.

But I do like the zone blocking scheme because the RB can go for some big yards if he makes the right decision.
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Vol865 said:
I agree to an extent but our running game won't just be zone reads. They will still run power, maybe trap, maybe even dive with an offset RB. There will still be plenty of downhill running.

But I do like the zone blocking scheme because the RB can go for some big yards if he makes the right decision.
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I mean that group of running plays. I should of explained that more. It's based off of the read option style run.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm not sure I follow the distinction that you're trying to make. The west coast offense is a pro-style offense. If he runs west coast passing schemes, it will be pro style, by definition.




The first article I quoted says that he uses west coast passing principles. That doesn't say anything about how often he passes, just that when he does it is west coast passing.




West coast is pro style.

The stats you quoted earlier refer to precisely what he did at other schools. Spread sets, run-heavy, west coast passing principles. He is not going to change away from what got him here. It's not just what he does. It's who he is.




Butch Jones runs his philosophy. This philosophy was created by what he's done, where he's done it, who he learned it from. He has said that Rich Rod and Urban Meyer have been his mentors.

You have given no reason to expect him to change, except that you expect him to change. Butch Jones is on record, as UT head coach, as referring to his/our offense as the "power spread".

Trust me. It will be spread formations, run-heavy, with west coast (pro style) passing elements. Much like... Oregon's.




As will UT. Go watch Oregon. It's very similar to what UT will be running. Spread formations, run-heavy, with west coast passing.

:hi:
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Oregon runs stuff like swing screens, zone read, and outside runs every play and when they pass it or run it, it almost always includes a zone read fake. While CBJ probably has that stuff in his playbook, I don't think they will be his base plays. I've watched him at CMU and some at Cincy and I don't remember the QBs he had there running anything like Oregon. In other words Munchie Legeaux wasn't Mariota or Braxton Miller, so CBJ didn't run plays that fit them. He ran what worked for his QB (which he has said is what he will do). If it looks like Oregon, then I'll admit I'm wrong but I think it will look more like the Patriots offense with a little zone read.
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Clockwork Orange said:
No Huddle,Up tempo, Read Option...
How successful do you think our new high speed offense is gonna be in the SEC?

I'm curious because Oregon's size in the championsip game compared to Auburn was a huge factor. But, with SEC Size and speed, i'm curious to see how good it can be, as UT is traditionally a pro style offense.
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Would Jalen Hurd fit in that offense?
 
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Vol865 said:
Oregon runs stuff like swing screens, zone read, and outside runs every play and when they pass it or run it, it almost always includes a zone read fake. While CBJ probably has that stuff in his playbook, I don't think they will be his base plays. I've watched him at CMU and some at Cincy and I don't remember the QBs he had there running anything like Oregon. In other words Munchie Legeaux wasn't Mariota or Braxton Miller, so CBJ didn't run plays that fit them. He ran what worked for his QB (which he has said is what he will do). If it looks like Oregon, then I'll admit I'm wrong but I think it will look more like the Patriots offense with a little zone read.
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I'm talking at the scheme/formation level (and so were you); not the individual play calling level. Oregon also ran many inside runs. CBJ also ran many swing screens, outside runs, etc.

Again... It will be spread formations, run-heavy with west coast passing concepts. Do we really want to break it down to statistical breakdowns per each individual play?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm talking at the scheme/formation level (and so were you); not the individual play calling level. Oregon also ran many inside runs. CBJ also ran many swing screens, outside runs, etc.

Again... It will be spread formations, run-heavy with west coast passing concepts. Do we really want to break it down to statistical breakdowns per each individual play?
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I understand it will be close to the same from a formation level and a scheme level. Mainly like Burger was saying, I don't think it will be the same at the philosophy level, which affects the play calling, which you just said you weren't talking about. In other words, I think we are thinking about the same thing, just saying it in a different way, and if that's the case, then I won't beat a dead horse.
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Clockwork Orange said:
No Huddle,Up tempo, Read Option...
How successful do you think our new high speed offense is gonna be in the SEC?

I'm curious because Oregon's size in the championsip game compared to Auburn was a huge factor. But, with SEC Size and speed, i'm curious to see how good it can be, as UT is traditionally a pro style offense.
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I don't know the answer to your question but I do know that this experiment with Coach Jones had better work.

I remember when Kiffin became the coach, he cleaned house and got rid of a lot of players. Those players would have come in handy when Dooley took over and we had almost no depth on the team.

Now, if Coach Jones is building his team with smaller, faster players and not run a pro style offense, then he leaves, for what ever reason, the next coach will have to build the team from scratch. The new coach won't even have the players to run his type of offense. He will have to do the best he can with the players that remain from Jones tenure.

So, the new coach will have to take years before he can even get his type of players on campus, muchless start winning with them.

This experiment with Coach Jones had better work or U.T. football will be down for more than a decade more....
 
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I think our offense will struggle this year because our passing game will struggle. That's putting it politely.Practically all of our skill position players are young and have zero experience--that's a recipe for offensive problems. SEC teams will know this and stack against the run and dare us to throw the ball. We need to develop a dependable /short/ passing game so that we can make some first downs, at the least.
 
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