Vaccine or not?

[85SugarVol]

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www.factcheck.org

Pretty thorough examination of "likely" and "low confidence."

Don't understand why that means Fauci is now a Mr., and not a Dr.


F'ing bitc5h.

Who are these mystery “4 other agencies” that maintain their likely rating for wet market bat soup? Hmm any guesses?

The Department of Energy is a known commodity -

Many of the Energy Department’s insights come from its network of national laboratories, some of which conduct biological research, rather than more traditional forms of intelligence like spy networks or communications intercepts.

You know, the DOE you laughed at for weighing in?

The Post reported that the Energy Department relied on the “expertise of a team assembled from the U.S. national laboratory complex, which employs tens of thousands of scientists representing many technical specialties, from physics and data analysis to genomics and molecular biology.”

 

[lawgator1]

Who are these mystery “4 other agencies” that maintain their likely rating for wet market bat soup? Hmm any guesses?

The Department of Energy is a known commodity -



You know, the DOE you laughed at for weighing in?

Ah, so DOE is definitely right, and everyone else is wrong?

See, the difference is you seize on that and conclude its right because others disagree. The heart of a good MAGA conspiracy theory is that if people say you are wrong, you take that as more evidence that you are right. Standard Trump logic.

I acknowledge what DOE theorizes and say, correctly, it is not yet proven one way or another.

 

[hog88]

Ah, so DOE is definitely right, and everyone else is wrong?

See, the difference is you seize on that and conclude its right because others disagree. The heart of a good MAGA conspiracy theory is that if people say you are wrong, you take that as more evidence that you are right. Standard Trump logic.

I acknowledge what DOE theorizes and say, correctly, it is not yet proven one way or another.

Have you ever asked yourself why the initial outbreak didn't happen in the area where the bats sold in the wet market were harvested? That was a considerable distance from Wuhan and (just guessing) the people catching the live bats had a considerable amount of contact with them.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What's the actual number of percentage it was lab, or natural? Nobody knows.

You have to be trolling. I refuse to believe that you are this dumb and that you seriously believe it came from the market.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Have you ever asked yourself why the initial outbreak didn't happen in the area where the bats sold in the wet market were harvested? That was a considerable distance from Wuhan and (just guessing) the people catching the live bats had a considerable amount of contact with them.

Have any of these people ever asked why it didn't run like wildfire thru 3rd world favellas and barrios where people literally live by the tens of thousands right on top of each other with cardboard walls? But it ran at insane rates thru some of the more modern cities in the world as if it's inhabitants were living in the same room?

Naturally 'created' and accidentally released my ass.

And Fauci is responsible

 

[lawgator1]

Have you ever asked yourself why the initial outbreak didn't happen in the area where the bats sold in the wet market were harvested? That was a considerable distance from Wuhan and (just guessing) the people catching the live bats had a considerable amount of contact with them.

I imagine proximity is one of the factors they use in trying to track origin.

On the other hand, 99% of the genealogy as between the bat version and human is the same, which is a factor suggesting it was natural.

Neither is dispositive.

 

[hog88]

I imagine proximity is one of the factors they use in trying to track origin.

On the other hand, 99% of the genealogy as between the bat version and human is the same, which is a factor suggesting it was natural.

Neither is dispositive.

It only takes less than a 1% change to weaponize a virus.

They knew exactly where the bats originated from yet no initial outbreak.

 

[volfanhill]

So let's stick with potatoes brain and the cackling Ho

Isn't Trump Ho and Chief?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Isn't Trump Ho and Chief?

President Kamala Harris. We'll be able to hear Putin and Xi laughing all the way here.


The prospect is truly frightening because that is what a Biden second term really will be.

 

[lawgator1]

President Kamala Harris. We'll be able to hear Putin and Xi laughing all the way here.


The prospect is truly frightening.

I'm starting to believe the theory that the Dem party/Biden leadership recognize he can't continue and that's why they set the debated for so early. In June. He fails miserably and they can convince him to step aside in time to nominate someone else.

And someone else entirely, runs.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'm starting to believe the theory that the Dem party/Biden leadership recognize he can't continue and that's why they set the debated for so early. In June. He fails miserably and they can convince him to step aside in time to nominate someone else.

And someone else entirely, runs.

Big Mike or Gavin. Your bench is really weak although identity politics wins in your world. big Mike it is.

 

[volfanhill]

Big Mike or Gavin. Your bench is really weak although identity politics wins in your world. big Mike it is.

If it's Michelle she wins by a landslide. If it's Kamala or Gavin it's still Trumps to lose

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If it's Michelle she wins by a landslide. If it's Kamala or Gavin it's still Trumps to lose

Because Mike is oh so qualified, right?

 

[volfanhill]

Because Mike is oh so qualified, right?

I didn't say that. I'm simply providing my thoughts. The general pop doesn't GAF if she's qualified. She's massively popular and that's all that matters.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I didn't say that. I'm simply providing my thoughts. The general pop doesn't GAF if she's qualified. She's massively popular and that's all that matters.

“The cult of personality….”

 

[85SugarVol]

Ah, so DOE is definitely right, and everyone else is wrong?

See, the difference is you seize on that and conclude its right because others disagree. The heart of a good MAGA conspiracy theory is that if people say you are wrong, you take that as more evidence that you are right. Standard Trump logic.

I acknowledge what DOE theorizes and say, correctly, it is not yet proven one way or another.

No that’s just you trying to assign to me an argument I’m not making.
And attempting (again) to marry any questioning on this topic to “crackpot conspiracy theories” and MTG.

What I’m pointing out is the DOE’s bonafides in this arena. And the fact that it is they, probably more so than any other entity on the list, that is equipped to evaluate lab protocols.

You know the DOE right?
The entity you mocked? The entity you questioned as to why they were qualified to even weigh in on this?

 

[85SugarVol]

I imagine proximity is one of the factors they use in trying to track origin.

On the other hand, 99% of the genealogy as between the bat version and human is the same, which is a factor suggesting it was natural.

Neither is dispositive.

99% of the DNA between Humans & Chimps is shared.

There’s a lot packed in that little ole 1%

 

[kiddiedoc]

I imagine proximity is one of the factors they use in trying to track origin.

On the other hand, 99% of the genealogy as between the bat version and human is the same, which is a factor suggesting it was natural.

Neither is dispositive.

I take it that you have decided to refrain from commenting on the Fauci emails I provided. That's convenient.

 

[kiddiedoc]

It only takes less than a 1% change to weaponize a virus.

They knew exactly where the bats originated from yet no initial outbreak.

Don't forget: no bats with the virus.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I take it that you have decided to refrain from commenting on the Fauci emails I provided. That's convenient.

He filed those away on the Hillary hard drive on Hunter’s laptop.

 

[hUTch2002]

The right dietary habits and 45 minute workouts 4 times a week and the average 55 year old could be in great health.

Yeah, I’m not great on the dietary part but I’m 45 so working on better habits now so maybe by the time I’m 55 maybe I’ll have some. Maybe.

 

[hUTch2002]

It was a pandemic, Earl. You and the rest of you anti-science, anti-government clowns seem to forget that--and forget the fact that lots
of people were dying. It was a global health crisis. There were lockdowns in most countries--many more extreme than ours. Yet the anti-government, anti-science pinheads got their pink panties in a knot because they didn't like to be inconvenienced. Was it all handled perfectly? Of course not: it was the first truly national health emergency the country had faced in decades. You aren't called rubes for nothing...

Glad to see you carrying water for Trump now. Balance is good turbo.

 

[hUTch2002]

Trump gave him a presidential commendation for his work on those vaccines. For as much as you want Fauci hung by his toenails you sure bend over backwards for trumps actions. Trump could have prevented Fauci and the vaxes. Instead he honored him

The one freaking time Trump gave someone else the spotlight and control was the one time he shouldn’t have. I get it though. Any POTUS likely would’ve done the same.

 

[hUTch2002]

Had my wife's cancer happened the year before or the year after, I wouldn't have taken any shots. It was in a slot when we were all still shocked and wanted to believe that we (the US) were more prepared than we are. Live and learn.

It was your choice and no one should care what you chose to do.

I will say, and of course it’s anecdotal, but 3 of us in my office all got Covid at the same time. We’re all 3 decently healthy males between 35 and I think 43 at the time. I am not vaccinated, one had the original shot and no boosters and the other had the original shot and 2 boosters at the time. We all got it at the same time, had the same symptoms and got over it at the exact same time. That certainly doesn’t mean everyone has the same experience but just like there’s no way to prove the shot doesn’t reduce severity, there’s no way to prove it does any better than natural immunity.

As far as natural immunity, I’ve had covid twice and the symptoms were definitely lighter the second time. Maybe it was a weaker strain, maybe my immunity was higher or maybe both. The part I never understood is why what we knew about how viruses work went out the window. Not surprisingly, covid followed the typical virus track of mutating and reducing in severity as it went.

 

[McDad]

Good for you. I'm in the vaxed and boosted once group and I am just fine. Probably a good bit older than you also. Oh by the way, my wife that had cancer and went through some pretty vicious chemo in 2020, is just fine too.

At the end of the day, that's all that really matters.