Vaccine or not?

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Because I question the authenticity of that "person". I don't know she could be employed with some of the stuff on her social media.
 
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AshG said:
The hospital might not have checked, or they may be so desperate for bodies that they don't care.
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A person who joins during an election year, is 100% political, and acts unlike any other ER RN I've ever met.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

A partisan hack isn't a reputable source. That goes for both sides of this argument...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Cults... We are witnessing Jim Jones cult activity at the national global level.
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I agree. It literally is a cult. Calling it a "preemptive strike" against Omicron is pathetic considering we don't even know the effectiveness of the vaccine against it. Also, there hasn't even been a single death (that I know of) due to Omicron yet the idiots in leadership are freaking out.

However, I don't think they actually are freaking out but are instead using this new variant as an opportunity to grab more power.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I agree. It literally is a cult. Calling it a "preemptive strike" against Omicron is pathetic considering we don't even know the effectiveness of the vaccine against it. Also, there hasn't even been a single death (that I know of) due to Omicron yet the idiots in leadership are freaking out.

However, I don't think they actually are freaking out but are instead using this new variant as an opportunity to grab more power.
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We actually do know the effectiveness of the vaccine against it.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Sure there is. It is not formulated for the omicron variant. The manufacturers even said so- they gave us a 100-day-plus window to create another one. Plus, all outbreaks of omicron have been among the vaccinated.
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I thought that the vaccine only keeps the symptoms mild? Just because outbreaks are occurring primarily among vaccinated people doesn't mean that the vaccine is necessarily ineffective.

With that said, I think the biggest indicator that the vaccines wouldn't be effective is that it only targets the one spike protein whereas omicron has multiple different ones that could evade the vaccine-incurred immune response. It's a safe bet that the vaccines are ineffective against it, but it's too early to tell IMO.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I thought that the vaccine only keeps the symptoms mild? Just because outbreaks are occurring primarily among vaccinated people doesn't mean that the vaccine is necessarily ineffective.

With that said, I think the biggest indicator that the vaccines wouldn't be effective is that it only targets the one spike protein whereas omicron has multiple different ones that could evade the vaccine-incurred immune response. It's a safe bet that the vaccines are ineffective against it, but it's too early to tell IMO.
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Omicron appears to have picked up several characteristics of the coronavirus that results in the common cold, which we have never been able to produce a vaccine for (to my knowledge).

Things are morphing at a breakneck speed, which makes vaccine targeting a huge mess. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Sure there is. It is not formulated for the omicron variant. The manufacturers even said so- they gave us a 100-day-plus window to create another one. Plus, all outbreaks of omicron have been among the vaccinated.
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Either way, this variant is substantially milder than the previous ones and what's happening in NYC is extreme overreaction.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I guess I owe you a bit of an apology. President douchenozzle is forcing me to have to justify why I don't want these ****ing 'vaccines' (which incidentally is absolutely nobody's business), and today I have to go see a doctor and try to BEG him to sign off on a medical reason/concern - which is very legitimate - as to why I don't what this **** in my body.... and then I read your post.
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I’d rather my pilots be unvaccinated versus run the risk of an in-flight heart event.
 
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ButchPlz said:
We actually do know the effectiveness of the vaccine against it.
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LOL

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AshG said:
Omicron appears to have picked up several characteristics of the coronavirus that results in the common cold, which we have never been able to produce a vaccine for (to my knowledge).

Things are morphing at a breakneck speed, which makes vaccine targeting a huge mess. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't.
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Yeah but they keep trying to force it down people's throats. Why is that? I don't want an experimental treatment for what is essentially becoming - and you said it - the common cold. They can KMA
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Yeah but they keep trying to force it down people's throats. Why is that? I don't want an experimental treatment for what is essentially becoming - and you said it - the common cold. They can KMA
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I am in agreement with you. The longer this goes on, the less comfortable I feel with the response. And I definitely believe natural immunity is the preferable option for those not immunocompromised.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I find it astonishing the sheep will believe this nonsense. This is maybe the stupidest thing I have ever read on this board.
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I have no idea if he is right or wrong but there are thousands of people out there who our government used as lab rats. There is a reason the AA community is not trusting this and that doesn’t make them sheep. That makes them cautious due to actual history.
 
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AshG said:
I am in agreement with you. The longer this goes on, the less comfortable I feel with the response. And I definitely believe natural immunity is the preferable option for those not immunocompromised.
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Fauci and big pharma/government don't.
 
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The reason some governments want everyone to get vaccinated now is because they know everyone will eventually see that the research will not back their demands that everyone (previously infected included) needs to be vaccinated. Total vaccination is their easy solution out of the problem whether it works or not.

Duration of SARS-CoV-2 Natural Immunity and Protection against the Delta Variant: A Retrospective Cohort Study

"Among 325,157 patients tested before 31 December 2020, 50,327 (15.5%) tested positive. After 01 July 2021 (Delta dominant period), 40 (0.08%) of the initially positive and 1,494 (0.5%) of the initially negative patients tested positive. Protection of prior infection against reinfection with Delta was 85.4% (95% CI, 80.0-89.3). For the long-term effectiveness analysis, among 152,656 patients tested before 30 August 2020, 11,186 (7.3%) tested positive. After at least 90 days, 81 (0.7%) of the initially positive patients and 7,167 (5.1%) of the initially negative patients tested positive. Overall protection of previous infection was 85.7% (95% CI, 82.2-88.5) and lasted up to 13 months. Patients over age 65 had slightly lower protection."
 
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