Vaccine or not?

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, I just saw that link after I posted. That ink doesn't provide a lot of info. But the headline said only 200 reinfections (I assume they mean breakthrough cases) in the state of North Carolina?

I call bulls^^t on that all day.
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200 with natural immunity plus the vaccine.
11000 natural immunity alone
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I think that whole debate is irrelevant.
The numbers say that natural immunity is better than being vaccinated. That helps nobody make a decision.
If you’ve never had Covid then you don’t have a natural immunity. So how natural immunity works is irrelevant to you.
If you had Covid then how well the vaccine works for someone who hasn’t had it is also irrelevant. You might want to know how a person who has both vaccine and natural immunity compares to someone with natural immunity alone.
neither is 100%. There have been almost 11k cases of reinfection on people with natural immunity alone in North Carolina alone. Got a family member who is a dr there.

Everyone needs to make their own decision but they should probably compare what’s relevant to their situation
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Blasphemy! 😜
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Wasn’t the J and J one shot?
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Yes, and the "moving goalpost" refers to the fact that they don't consider someone fully vaccinated until after 14 days post-second jab. I have two co-workers who were diagnosed with Covid -- one after first shot and the other within 5 days of second shot -- both were considered "unvaccinated" and counted as "unvaccinated Covid cases."
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Just for ***** and giggles I googled to see if what my cuz the dr told me had been reported anywhere.

Data shows nearly 11,000 had COVID-19 twice, 200 caught the virus after vaccination
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Propaganda.... I personally know close to 50 vaxed who have been diagnosed with Covid and I'm in NC. And I'm not in the medical profession where I would see this every day!

My husband's doc TODAY told him that 95% of people in hospital with Covid are unvaxed -- also propaganda. I have family who are E/R and other nurses... Bottom line -- there is a lot of propaganda flying around!
 
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OutofStateFan said:
Yes, and the "moving goalpost" refers to the fact that they don't consider someone fully vaccinated until after 14 days post-second jab. I have two co-workers who were diagnosed with Covid -- one after first shot and the other within 5 days of second shot -- both were considered "unvaccinated" and counted as "unvaccinated Covid cases."
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Ya.
There’s stupidity all over the place with this thing.
I don’t really get into caring what they define as “fully vaccinated” or any other definition. I’m more interested in making a decision based on solid information. The point I’m poorly attempting to make is what someone should compare when trying to make that decision
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
natural immunity vs vaccinated doesn’t provide any information to help anyone make a decision.
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I agree with this... I think???

I didn't realize people were making decisions beforehand about being vaccinated based on natural immunity???

I'm confused and lost on this convo. I saw you saying natural immunity is not relevant and went on that. I'm not certain how natural immunity would play a factor in any decision making... outside of maybe throwing COVID parties to to get exposed to the virus.

But we already know how you feel about that...
 
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OutofStateFan said:
Propaganda.... I personally know close to 50 vaxed who have been diagnosed with Covid and I'm in NC. And I'm not in the medical profession where I would see this every day!
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The article doesn’t address breakthrough on vaccine alone.
The numbers listed are breakthrough on national immunity and natural immunity plus the vaccine.

How many do you know that had Covid, got the vaccine and then got Covid again?
 
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OutofStateFan said:
Yes, and the "moving goalpost" refers to the fact that they don't consider someone fully vaccinated until after 14 days post-second jab. I have two co-workers who were diagnosed with Covid -- one after first shot and the other within 5 days of second shot -- both were considered "unvaccinated" and counted as "unvaccinated Covid cases."
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Exactly... which slants the data in the direction of overcounting the unvaccinated.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I agree with this... I think???

I didn't realize people were making decisions beforehand about being vaccinated based on natural immunity???

I'm confused and lost on this convo. I saw you saying natural immunity is not relevant and went on that. I'm not certain how natural immunity would play a factor in any decision making... outside of maybe throwing COVID parties to to get exposed to the virus.

But we already know how you feel about that...
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You’d be surprised how many people think natural immunity is something they already have even though they never had Covid.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The article doesn’t address breakthrough on vaccine alone.
The numbers listed are breakthrough on national immunity and natural immunity plus the vaccine.

How many do you know that had Covid, got the vaccine and then got Covid again?
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One person -- actually a relative. Just because someone tests positive using a PCR test doesn't mean they are actually positive -- huge false positive rate. I do know one person who had Covid, got the vax, and then died of a heart attack... unfortunately.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Ya.
There’s stupidity all over the place with this thing.
I don’t really get into caring what they define as “fully vaccinated” or any other definition. I’m more interested in making a decision based on solid information. The point I’m poorly attempting to make is what someone should compare when trying to make that decision
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Getting solid information is dependent on clearly defined terms.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Getting solid information is dependent on clearly defined terms.
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Correct
I’m making a decision for me. I really don’t care what you think “fully vaccinated “ means. It’s irrelevant to my decision making.
I also don’t care what Dr Falchi thinks it means.
What I do care about is what actually happens when people do or do not take the vaccine. And how it effects people in my situation. How it applies to you isn’t my concern
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You’d be surprised how many people think natural immunity is something they already have even though they never had Covid.
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I think that might be occurring because there are many people (I know) who have never been vaxxed, have been exposed to Covid multiple times, and have never had Covid (at least to their knowledge -- have never been sick). There are some docs who believe that previous SARS infections before SARS-COV-2 provide natural immunity to SARS-COV-2 (alias Covid-19). I have no way of knowing if this is true, but I have certainly seen plenty of un-vaxxed people get through all of this so far with no sickness whatsoever... might have to do with Vitamin D levels (80% of people, apparently, who have been hospitalized with Covid are Vit-D deficient, according to sources I have read) or other reasons??
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
OK... now I'm caught up with you. I didn't realize there were a significant number of people believing that.

I'm on the same page now.
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I’m in construction. Not the most educated folks at times. Never underestimate the stupidity of the average person. Most are not as smart as you.
 
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BP4Prez said:
This is probably accurate but at the same time there are a number of people who have probably had Covid but never knew it too.
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Yup
Myself and my wife were both very ill in January 19. They were not testing for it then. I can’t prove anything but we may have both had it then.
 
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OutofStateFan said:
I think that might be occurring because there are many people (I know) who have never been vaxxed, have been exposed to Covid multiple times, and have never had Covid (at least to their knowledge -- have never been sick). There are some docs who believe that previous SARS infections before SARS-COV-2 provide natural immunity to SARS-COV-2 (alias Covid-19). I have no way of knowing if this is true, but I have certainly seen plenty of un-vaxxed people get through all of this so far with no sickness whatsoever... might have to do with Vitamin D levels (80% of people, apparently, who have been hospitalized with Covid are Vit-D deficient, according to sources I have read) or other reasons??
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My cousin has said he believes previous SARS seems to provide protection.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Ya.
There’s stupidity all over the place with this thing.
I don’t really get into caring what they define as “fully vaccinated” or any other definition. I’m more interested in making a decision based on solid information. The point I’m poorly attempting to make is what someone should compare when trying to make that decision
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100% agree. Everyone should do their own research and not depend on the MSM. There is one agenda there..... unfortunately...
 
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