Vaccine or not?

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Orange_Vol1321 said:
@kiddiedoc Catch NBC nightly news last night? Listen to them blatantly lie about the vaccines being FDA approved. There's more lies in there but I know this was being discussed here a few days back. Starts at the 6 minute mark.

https://www.nbc.com/nbc-nightly-news/video/nbc-nightly-news-12322/9000226816
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Yes claiming that "the vaccines are fully approved by the FDA" is a blatant lie.
There is currently only one FDA approved vaccine, branded Comirnaty, and it is not available anywhere that I am aware of.

Additionally, as there IS now an approved vaccine (and approved treatments), the EUA should no longer exist, as lacking an approved alternative is one of the criteria.
 
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I just spoke with my pharmacist at a large nearby location. She confirmed that their vaccines are all BioNTech, that they have never had Comirnaty, and she wasn't even aware that it existed. She also said they have been telling people their vaccine IS FDA approved and were not aware of the difference.

Crazy.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Is that saying children 5-11 should only be receiving the Orange cap formulation which from the preceding paragraph would seem to imply the Comirnaty version? Which isn’t readily available?
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No, the orange cap is the EUA reduced dosage of BioNTech. Notice they very sneakily call this "FDA Authorized" (translation: Emergency Use Authorization).
 
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kiddiedoc said:
No, the orange cap is the EUA reduced dosage of BioNTech. Notice they very sneakily call this "FDA Authorized" (translation: Emergency Use Authorization).
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Yes, incredibly sneaky ... when the first thing you see when you go to the Comirnaty website is a pop-up that says, in bold:

"The Vaccine Is Authorized as a 2-dose series for ages 12 Through 15 Years.

Emergency uses of the vaccine have not been approved or licensed by the FDA, but have been authorized by FDA, under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in individuals 5 years of age and older. The emergency uses are only authorized for the duration of the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use ...."

Clearly, they're hoping you'll conflate "approved" and "authorized." I guess that's why they ... EXPRESSLY EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE RIGHT UP FRONT.

But keep pushing the misinformation dude.
 
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evillawyer said:
Yes, incredibly sneaky ... when the first thing you see when you go to the Comirnaty website is a pop-up that says, in bold:

"The Vaccine Is Authorized as a 2-dose series for ages 12 Through 15 Years.

Emergency uses of the vaccine have not been approved or licensed by the FDA, but have been authorized by FDA, under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in individuals 5 years of age and older. The emergency uses are only authorized for the duration of the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use ...."

Clearly, they're hoping you'll conflate "approved" and "authorized." I guess that's why they ... EXPRESSLY EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE RIGHT UP FRONT.

But keep pushing the misinformation dude.
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Why did you cut of the rest of it cat lady. Here it is

“The emergency uses are only authorized for the duration of the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use of the medical product under Section 564(b)(1) of the FD&C Act unless the declaration is terminated or authorization revoked sooner”

Let’s set the way back machine to that section of code on fda.gov. Here we go.

“Under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), when the Secretary of HHS declares that an emergency use authorization is appropriate, FDA may authorize unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions caused by CBRN threat agents when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.”

Let’s see… I believe a poster stated that earlier. Who was it… can’t put a finger on it. @kiddiedoc can you remember who that was?

Also why is PFizer hawking their EUA drug on the site where they are advertising the only FDA approved drug available. It would almost seem counter to the underlined above 🤡

But by all means cat lady I think you should continue with the accusations it’s a great idea!
 
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So, I just had a long conversation with another pharmacist at a Walgreens that I send a lot of prescriptions to. She also had never heard of Comirnaty, and when she checked their master computer database, it ISN'T EVEN THERE. She was very intrigued and said she would do some more digging this week.

This is nuts
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Ho Li Chit. 😳

That label is misleading as hell and the FDA should be tearing their ass up over putting that misinformation out
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I'm sure it was just a slip up, since the paragraph before uses the correct "EUA" designation for the adult product. LOL.

Plus, a product this insignificant probably didn't warrant any proofreading.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Who was claiming the shots are FDA approved?
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You accused Pfizer of being "sneaky" by saying the vaccine for kids 5-12 was "FDA authorized," implying that Pfizer was exploiting the public's naivety over the difference in the terms "approved" and "authorized." But the very first thing you see when you go to the website is a pop-up explaining exactly what it means to be "FDA authorized." If that's being "sneaky," Pfizer kinda sucks at being sneaky.
 
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evillawyer said:
You accused Pfizer of being "sneaky" by saying the vaccine for kids 5-12 was "FDA authorized," implying that Pfizer was exploiting the public's naivety over the difference in the terms "approved" and "authorized." But the very first thing you see when you go to the website is a pop-up explaining exactly what it means to be "FDA authorized." If that's being "sneaky," Pfizer kinda sucks at being sneaky.
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Why are they pushing non FDA approved jabs on their FDA approved jab web site shrew cat lady? In direct conflict with the stated criteria of Section 564 (b)(1)?🤡
 
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evillawyer said:
You accused Pfizer of being "sneaky" by saying the vaccine for kids 5-12 was "FDA authorized," implying that Pfizer was exploiting the public's naivety over the difference in the terms "approved" and "authorized." But the very first thing you see when you go to the website is a pop-up explaining exactly what it means to be "FDA authorized." If that's being "sneaky," Pfizer kinda sucks at being sneaky.
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And, you're the only one in the room who can't tell that's EXACTLY what they are doing.

Now, can you explain why the only approved vaccine is nowhere to be found and not in the database? Or would you rather just post a clever meme demonstrating how you are in WAYYYYYY over your tiny head?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
And, you're the only one in the room who can't tell that's EXACTLY what they are doing.

Now, can you explain why the only approved vaccine is nowhere to be found and not in the database? Or would you rather just post a clever meme demonstrating how you in WAYYYYYY over your tiny head?
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Oh I think her head is likely huge. Over inflated even. Now the contents of that wasted cranial cavity … 😂
 
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Hey cat lady @evillawyer come back out and play! Please continue to show us how advertising pushing non FDA approved vaccines on the brand website for the ONLY FDA APPROVED vaccine and contrary to the criteria outlined in the law defining the need for an EUA is totally legit 🤡
 
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kiddiedoc said:
And, you're the only one in the room who can't tell that's EXACTLY what they are doing.

Now, can you explain why the only approved vaccine is nowhere to be found and not in the database? Or would you rather just post a clever meme demonstrating how you in WAYYYYYY over your tiny head?
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So, if you're trying to hoodwink somebody who may be inclined to conflate two terms, would you have a POP-UP on your website that's literally the first thing you see explaining in DETAIL the EXPRESS DIFFERENCE in the two terms?

Like I said, you love pumping misinformation. You just hate it when I call you out on it.

So, you got any real world data yet showing myocarditis more prevalent with vaccines than COVID infections, or are you still gonna rely on non-factual models based on assumptions of what things would look like with incredibly low amounts of COVID spread that are no way near the current reality?
 
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