Vaccine or not?

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utvols88 said:
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Be very very careful getting your news from Twitter. I suggest you verify it before announcing it from the hilltops. In this case the guy who did this study disagrees with this Twitter conclusion that vaccines erase natural immunity:

“The statement that ‘the vaccine destroys any protection a person has from natural immunity’ is unfounded,” Lin told Reuters in an email. “Our data showed that the vaccine was effective against infection for 4 months. In addition, vaccination conferred greater protection against hospitalization than against infection. Finally, no vaccinated children died whereas 7 unvaccinated children died.”
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Fact Check-Vaccine-effectiveness study does not show ‘negative immunity’ or harm to the immune system

“The evidence we have supports the finding that natural immunity is boosted by vaccination rather than being destroyed by vaccination as claimed,” Lin said.

“The effectiveness of prior infection with omicron against reinfection with omicron is actually higher among children who are vaccinated than among the children who are unvaccinated,” he added. “The conclusion is completely opposite to what they claim in their article.”
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Study finds Pfizer vaccine boosts, not destroys, immunity from past COVID-19 infection

So who are you going to believe here, the scientist who had this published in the NEJoM or some guy on Twitter who writes for the Septic?
 
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Sea Ray said:
Be very very careful getting your news from Twitter. I suggest you verify it before announcing it from the hilltops. In this case the guy who did this study disagrees with this Twitter conclusion that vaccines erase natural immunity:



Fact Check-Vaccine-effectiveness study does not show ‘negative immunity’ or harm to the immune system



Study finds Pfizer vaccine boosts, not destroys, immunity from past COVID-19 infection

So who are you going to believe here, the scientist who had this published in the NEJoM or some guy on Twitter who writes for the Septic?
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There are plenty of well-known doctors who disagree with your scientist.
 
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COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults: A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Mandates at Universities by Kevin Bardosh, Allison Krug, Euzebiusz Jamrozik, Trudo Lemmens, Salmaan Keshavjee, Vinay Prasad, Martin A. Makary, Stefan Baral, Tracy Beth Høeg :: SSRN

A team of nine experts from Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and other top universities has published paradigm-shifting research about the efficacy and safety of the COVID-19 vaccines and why mandating vaccines for college students is unethical.

This 50-page study, which was published on the Social Science Research Network at the end of August, analyzed Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and industry-sponsored data on vaccine adverse events, and concluded that mandates for COVID-19 boosters for young people may cause 18 to 98 actual serious adverse events for each COVID-19 infection-related hospitalization theoretically prevented.

The paper was co-authored by Dr. Stefan Baral, an epidemiology professor at Johns Hopkins University; Dr. Martin Adel Makary, a surgeon and professor at Johns Hopkins, known for his books exposing medical malfeasance, including “Unaccountable: What Hospitals Won’t Tell You and How Transparency Can Revolutionize Heath Care”; and Dr. Vinay Prasad, a hematologist-oncologist who is a professor in the University of California–San Francisco Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, as well as the author of more than 350 academic and peer-reviewed articles.

But among this team of high-profile international experts who authored the paper, perhaps the most notable is Dr. Salmaan Keshavjee, director of the Harvard Medical School Center for Global Health Delivery and professor of global health and social medicine at Harvard Medical School. Keshavjee has also worked extensively with Partners in Health, a Boston-based nonprofit co-founded by the late Dr. Paul Farmer, on treating drug-resistant tuberculosis, according to his online biography.

‘Unethical’ and up to 98 Times Worse Than the Disease: Top Scientists Publish Paradigm-Shifting Study About COVID-19 Vaccines 'Unethical' and Up to 98 Times Worse Than the Disease: Top Scientists Publish Paradigm-Shifting Study About COVID-19 Boosters for Young Adults
 
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VolinWayne said:
There are plenty of well-known doctors who disagree with your scientist.
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Well known doctors disagree with this study result? How can those doctors known more about the study than the guy who was in charge? If there is a study that shows something different, great. Let's look at it. I'm looking for facts and research here.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I seriously don't know if I could have survived the past 2.5 years under the command of hospital system CEOs or corporate ownership.

My office has been completely normal since late 2020, we've grown significantly, and we've had zero complications of any kind from CV19.

I'm sure some people would call me crazy, and we've had a few families give their older kids CV shots, but I'm incredibly thankful that everything has worked out well and that we have been able to provide uninterrupted care for kids in the area.
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Well done, sir. I mean that as sincerely as possible.

Grateful that there were (and are) Professionals like you and NGV out there.

👍🏻👍🏻
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You mean a medical establishment that spreads stuff like this.

White House ‘Nutrition Advisor’ Claims Lucky Charms Are Healthier Than Chicken

A cursory examination of Dariush’s career reveals possible explanations (spoiler: none of them include a sincere desire to improve health, except the health of his sponsors’ financial earnings report).

Dariush has advised a trifecta of the most corrupt and dangerous Public Health© bodies on the planet:

  • the World Health Organization
  • the United Nations
  • the American Heart Association©


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I'll stick with the heavy meat, egg, etc. diet with low sugar that I'm on. My physical performance and literally every health metric I get checked is perfect.

Anyone that follows that **** is a moron that deserves whatever they get.
 
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Elderly relative on a recent doctor visit was told by doctor to not get booster. Said there is no difference in hospital rates versus boosted or not. Just an anecdotal comment from my world.
 
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Peer-Reviewed Study: 94% Of Vaccinated Patients With Subsequent Health Issues Have Abnormal Blood

“On average, the patients whose blood was examined had been vaccinated about one month prior. Of the 1,006 patients, after vaccination, only about 5 percent—just 58 people—had blood that looked normal.

The doctors were able to examine the blood of 12 of the patients before they had received any vaccines. At that time, previous to being vaccinated, all 12 patients presented with normal, healthy blood, according to the researchers.”


Peer-Reviewed Study: 94% Of Vaccinated Patients With Subsequent Health Issues Have Abnormal Blood
 
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A U.S. military doctor is alleging the Army has taken a series of retaliatory actions against him in response to the doctor granting medical waivers to the COVID-19 vaccine for some service members.

Maj. Samuel Sigoloff, former director of the Raymond W. Bliss Army Health Center at Fort Huachuca, Arizona, has been ordered to stop seeing patients, assigned to do menial duties, given a relief for cause officer evaluation report, and risks having his license to practice medicine revoked.

Sigoloff’s attorney describes the Army’s actions as “retribution” for the doctor practicing medicine in a way inconsistent with the Pentagon’s COVID-19 vaccine policies.

Army Doctor Says He’s Being ‘Persecuted’ for Giving Exemptions to COVID-19 Vaccine Army Doctor Says He's Being 'Persecuted' for Giving Exemptions to COVID-19 Vaccine
 
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VolinWayne said:
A U.S. military doctor is alleging the Army has taken a series of retaliatory actions against him in response to the doctor granting medical waivers to the COVID-19 vaccine for some service members.

Maj. Samuel Sigoloff, former director of the Raymond W. Bliss Army Health Center at Fort Huachuca, Arizona, has been ordered to stop seeing patients, assigned to do menial duties, given a relief for cause officer evaluation report, and risks having his license to practice medicine revoked.

Sigoloff’s attorney describes the Army’s actions as “retribution” for the doctor practicing medicine in a way inconsistent with the Pentagon’s COVID-19 vaccine policies.

Army Doctor Says He’s Being ‘Persecuted’ for Giving Exemptions to COVID-19 Vaccine Army Doctor Says He's Being 'Persecuted' for Giving Exemptions to COVID-19 Vaccine
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That is a messed up situation. All for speaking truth and practicing to benefit his pts he gets persecuted.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Peer-Reviewed Study: 94% Of Vaccinated Patients With Subsequent Health Issues Have Abnormal Blood

“On average, the patients whose blood was examined had been vaccinated about one month prior. Of the 1,006 patients, after vaccination, only about 5 percent—just 58 people—had blood that looked normal.

The doctors were able to examine the blood of 12 of the patients before they had received any vaccines. At that time, previous to being vaccinated, all 12 patients presented with normal, healthy blood, according to the researchers.”


Peer-Reviewed Study: 94% Of Vaccinated Patients With Subsequent Health Issues Have Abnormal Blood
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12 seems like a really really small, and bad, number to be basing things on.
 
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LouderVol said:
12 seems like a really really small, and bad, number to be basing things on.
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It’s not the 12 that bother me, it’s what they are seeing in blood samples with the RBC and their morphology. Beyond that finding substances never seen in blood samples before the shot would be a definite concern.
 
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LouderVol said:
12 seems like a really really small, and bad, number to be basing things on.
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For proper context you need to read the entire paragraph. If this does not raise a red flag I'm not sure what does. Keep in mind these doctors know what normal blood is supposed to look like.

Of the 1,006 patients, after vaccination, only about 5 percent—just 58 people—had blood that looked normal.

The doctors were able to examine the blood of 12 of the patients before they had received any vaccines. At that time, previous to being vaccinated, all 12 patients presented with normal, healthy blood, according to the researchers.
 
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Doctor Turns Against Messenger RNA COVID-19 Vaccines, Calls for Global Pause

A doctor who promoted COVID-19 vaccines is now calling for health authorities around the world to pause the administration of two of the most-widely utilized COVID-19 vaccines, saying that the benefits from the vaccines may not outweigh the risks.

"There is more than enough evidence—I would say the evidence is overwhelming—to pause the rollout of the vaccine,” Dr. Aseem Malhotra, a British cardiologist and evidence-based medicine expert, told The Epoch Times.

A paper from Malhotra detailing the evidence was published on Sept. 26.
Curing the pandemic of misinformation on COVID-19 mRNA vaccines through real evidence-based medicine - Part 1 | Malhotra | Journal of Insulin Resistance

Among the citations is a recent reanalysis of the Pfizer and Moderna clinical trials that concluded that vaccinated trial participants were at higher risk of serious adverse events. He called the study a “smoking gun.”
 
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Sea Ray said:
Well known doctors disagree with this study result? How can those doctors known more about the study than the guy who was in charge? If there is a study that shows something different, great. Let's look at it. I'm looking for facts and research here.
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Study was funded by NIH. Faucis close pals. Results are likely skewed to show favorable results.
 
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