Vaccine or not?

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Orangeslice13 said:
The side effects of having Covid are the exact same as the vaccine. well who would have thought that.
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What exactly do you mean by that? I've not heard anyone say they can't smell after the mRNA shots. And, I don't know anyone with menstrual changes, clots, or heart/BP issues after CV infection.
 
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I got a Twitter notification about Whoopie Goldberg, who thankfully survived CV infection thanks to being vaccinated and boosted. I thought this new verb was cool:

Keep doing your nonmasking
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kiddiedoc said:
What exactly do you mean by that? I've not heard anyone say they can't smell after the mRNA shots. And, I don't know anyone with menstrual changes, clots, or heart/BP issues after CV infection.
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I mean what I said.
The side effects for the Covid vaccine are the same as the vaccine. Check in with your infectious diseases doctor. You may not have access to one but we were there late last week.
If you think Vanderbilt Hospital is part of some vast conspiracy and they showing patients false studies then there’s no help for you.

back on point.
You’re free to do whatever you want.
This thing is over.
The Covid vaccine is just another seasonal vaccine like the flu shot. You are free to do whatever you want.
Take the vaccine, Don’t, whatever
 
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In an unrelated story…. they feel that the Flu vaccine missed what will be the major strains of Flu this year.
So you can look forward to getting the flu vaccine and still getting the flu
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Look
We agree on something.

This is over.
Get the vaccine, don’t, it doesn’t matter anymore
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No it's not over slice, because even though millions of people are having health issues from it. Even though the numbers are out and show that not only did it not help with covid it had many more deaths. They are still trying to legislate it to be forced on our kids. Until the medical tyranny ends it is NOT over. There are millions of people who are suffering the inability to even walk or talk... It's not over for them. Sorry if that is unhappy to hear about. It's not remotely over. And to all the people's lives it has ruined, jobs that it has destroyed...it's not over. It certainly matters to the families affected by it.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The side effects of having Covid are the exact same as the vaccine. well who would have thought that.
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No they are not. And frankly though I like you a great deal, saying it's over while I know lots of people suffering from both and their plans to force it on kids, kinda ticks me off.

If you want to be intellectually honest about this watch this entire movie and explain how "it's over" and your tired of hearing about it.

Died Suddenly

Because otherwise that comments is extremely inconsiderate to many people going through hell.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I mean what I said.
The side effects for the Covid vaccine are the same as the vaccine. Check in with your infectious diseases doctor. You may not have access to one but we were there late last week.
If you think Vanderbilt Hospital is part of some vast conspiracy and they showing patients false studies then there’s no help for you.

back on point.
You’re free to do whatever you want.
This thing is over.
The Covid vaccine is just another seasonal vaccine like the flu shot. You are free to do whatever you want.
Take the vaccine, Don’t, whatever
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Not sure you are paying attention. We are still seeing efforts in other western countries to mandate vaccination and there are those in this country who want that as well. This, even thought the efficacy of the vaccines gets worse and worse, and the adverse affects of the vaccine are still not fully disclosed.

Continuing to push the MNRA vaccine has slowed further research to come out with an actual real virus vaccine, as well as other therapeutic treatments.
 
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A lot of people rolling their eyes are likely victims and don't know it. The sad part is it will still be several years before we see full effects. Sticking your heads in the sand won't help.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
A lot of people rolling their eyes are likely victims and don't know it. The sad part is it will still be several years before we see full effects. Sticking your heads in the sand won't help.
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There are risks on both sides of this issue. I’ll go with the advice of my infectious disease doctor who is keeping me in great health over the conspiratards that are plentiful on both sides of this debate.
 
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My guy says that Covid has mutated to the point of influenza. Meaning there are 100s of variants running around now. The vaccine, just like the flu shot, is guessing at which 5-10 are the most prevalent. This year they have missed on the flu shot. I would not say it’s worthless but it’s not protecting against the main flu going around. That flu is putting a lot of kids in the hospital. He didn’t say anything about this years Covid vaccine but said that he wouldn’t advise me to get it because I’m in a really good place at the moment.
 
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Allvols1996 said:
Not sure you are paying attention. We are still seeing efforts in other western countries to mandate vaccination and there are those in this country who want that as well. This, even thought the efficacy of the vaccines gets worse and worse, and the adverse affects of the vaccine are still not fully disclosed.

Continuing to push the MNRA vaccine has slowed further research to come out with an actual real virus vaccine, as well as other therapeutic treatments.
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Ya, they’re pushing gun control too and squatting on free speech. This thing is over. Influenza will be a much bigger issue this season.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
There are risks on both sides of this issue. I’ll go with the advice of my infectious disease doctor who is keeping me in great health over the conspiratards that are plentiful on both sides of this debate.
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MY doctor apparently would heavily disagree with your doctor in terms of dangers of the experimental MRNA drugs. As do many local morticians who see the effects first hand all too often since this began. He helped me where other doctors failed over the past year, (they followed the mandates, he followed the facts) and every "NEW" Epiphany in the medical community on the treatment of long term covid seems to be about 3-6 months behind his recommendations and research. He's an old country doctor and risked much through this including his license likely by bucking the powers that be and putting his patients first. I can't make you watch the film. But I can say really from one father and husband to another. You should really watch the film anyone with loved ones navigating though this time should. I have Doctors, and Nurses, and Pharmacist all direct relatives and there is little to no universal agreement on this. Even among the medical community there is no consensus, it's a tragedy this has been politicized. It's a tragedy that people educated to trust in logic and reason and the scientific method, have often elected to instead follow mandates and politics rather then facts and evidence. Politics in the AMA and CDC has obfuscated much of this. Turning our back on what is happening will only make things worse. You lose nothing by hearing the facts from all sides except ignorance.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
There are risks on both sides of this issue. I’ll go with the advice of my infectious disease doctor who is keeping me in great health over the conspiratards that are plentiful on both sides of this debate.
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I've been taking Vitamin C. D and zinc and haven't caught C19. No jab, btw, and I have to miss work on 2 occasions because of their dumbazz "close contact" rules. So its not like I've been a bubble boy or living in isolation.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
MY doctor apparently would heavily disagree with your doctor in terms of dangers of the experimental MRNA drugs. As do many local morticians who see the effects first hand all too often since this began. He helped me where other doctors failed over the past year, and every "NEW" Epiphany in the medical community on the treatment of long term covid seems to be about 3-6 months behind his recommendations and research. I can't make you watch the film. But I can say really from one father and husband to another. You should really watch the film anyone with loved ones navigating though this time should. I have Doctors, and Nurses, and Pharmacist all direct relatives there is little to no universal agreement on this. Even among the medical community there is no consensus, it's a tragedy this has been politicized. It's a tragedy that people educated to trust in logic and reason and often elect to follow mandates and politics rather then facts and evidence. Politics in the AMA and CDC has obfuscated much of it. Turning our back on what is happening will only make things worse. You lose nothing by hearing the facts from all sides except ignorance.
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Agreed.
The ignorance of the anti vaccine crowd is equally disturbing as the ignorance of the pro/vaccine mandate crowd.
The reality is the long term effects of having Covid suck just as bad as the side effects of the vaccine.
The side effects of the shingles vaccine can be scary too but I’m following his advice and getting that one.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've been taking Vitamin C. D and zinc and haven't caught C19. No jab, btw, and I have to miss work on 2 occasions because of their dumbazz "close contact" rules. So its not like I've been a bubble boy or living in isolation.
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I’m told that D3 is the most important of those 3. He has me taking them too.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Influenza is always a big issue , except for the that time when it completely disappeared and there was only Covid .
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Hand washing and distancing works. (Masks are BS). That’s one reason the flu vaccine missed. No data to go on from the past seasons.
Wait, you don’t think there was a mass conspiracy to not report the flu do you?
I’m pretty sure there are plenty of @kiddiedoc s in the medical field to prevent that happening.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've been taking Vitamin C. D and zinc and haven't caught C19. No jab, btw, and I have to miss work on 2 occasions because of their dumbazz "close contact" rules. So its not like I've been a bubble boy or living in isolation.
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I was taking the above mentioned vitamins, and in addition Quercetin and Elderberry as Zinc Ionophores for better absorption. I did not have access to Hydrochloroquinine then sadly because of politics, that an Ivermectin could have helped considerably. Still I did everything I could do as did my family. Still my son caught Delta and it swept right through the family, nearly killing me but even son and wife were quite sick. People who were vaxed had the exact same experience, many of the people who died when I was in hospital had the vaxines. Hopefully the newer strains will continue to not be as dangerous. However simply boosting your immune system is no guarantee. I used to think Covid was no big deal, until it nearly killed me. I do think perhaps getting more sunshine and outside time could be of great benefit, I have noted those that worked outside seem to have been less effected. I think getting everyone to stay indoors was perhaps one of the biggest killers in how this was handled.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Hand washing and distancing works. (Masks are BS). That’s one reason the flu vaccine missed. No data to go on from the past seasons.
Wait, you don’t think there was a mass conspiracy to not report the flu do you?
I’m pretty sure there are plenty of @kiddiedoc s in the medical field to prevent that happening.
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I didn’t say anything about a mass conspiracy to not report the flu . There’s nothing to report if you don’t test for it . Im curious , why is there no data to go on from past seasons ?
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I was taking the above mentioned vitamins, and in addition Quercetin and Elderberry as Zinc Ionophores for better absorption. I did not have access to Hydrochloroquinine then sadly because of politics, that an Ivermectin could have helped considerably. Still I did everything I could do as did my family. Still my son caught Delta and it swept right through the family, nearly killing me but even son and wife were quite sick. People who were vaxed had the exact same experience, many of the people who died when I was in hospital had the vaxines. Hopefully the newer strains will continue to not be as dangerous. However simply boosting your immune system is no guarantee. I used to think Covid was no big deal, until it nearly killed me. I do think perhaps getting more sunshine and outside time could be of great benefit, I have noted those that worked outside seem to have been less effected. I think getting everyone to stay indoors was perhaps one of the biggest killers in how this was handled.
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The handling of this thing was a complete cluster flub.
There’s no doubt.

And I believe you are correct. The places that shut down had it much worse than the place that didn’t.
 
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