Venezuelan Gang in Tennessee

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LouderVol said:
how do you justify both of the bolded statements?

the national guard are going to make far more of those mistakes with much worse consequences.
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Because the would be used on citizens of another country that are here illegally and committing violence. Not American citizens.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Because the would be used on citizens of another country that are here illegally and committing violence. Not American citizens.
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That would be the intent but not the reality. How the hell is the NG going to know who is TdA and who isn't?
 
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norrislakevol said:
Like C-south said......what rights? Criminals that are here illegally leave or get effed up. it's really simple.
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To see who is gang and who isn't, there'll be comparisons of some kind, which means that there will be some sort of search/detention/questioning for everyone (including residents/citizens). I suspect that's the dilemma being espoused. The problem with using that in this context is that it'd be the same dilemma for police/FBI/ICE/NG/etc.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Because the would be used on citizens of another country that are here illegally and committing violence. Not American citizens.
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there is NO way, when you are doing a nation wide purge that the NG are ONLY going to round up illegals. Their success/hit rate is going to worse than the cops/FBI because they aren't trained to do that. And because they are military you don't have the same type of protections as a citizen as you would from the cops. they can deny you an attorney, you won't have a right to a trial. thats assuming they don't just shoot you which will be more likely than if its the cops.
 
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LouderVol said:
there is NO way, when you are doing a nation wide purge that the NG are ONLY going to round up illegals. Their success/hit rate is going to worse than the cops/FBI because they aren't trained to do that. And because they are military you don't have the same type of protections as a citizen as you would from the cops. they can deny you an attorney, you won't have a right to a trial. thats assuming they don't just shoot you which will be more likely than if its the cops.
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I would say the success/hit rate would be extremely high if they are only targeting violent, foreign gangs.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I would say the success/hit rate would be extremely high if they are only targeting violent, foreign gangs.
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right because its so easy for the cops to identify them when they are citizens.

you are talking about full blown violence, and gun fights. there is no way citizens aren't involved.

The issue isn't that it comes to violence if necessary. the issue is the NG are going to turn to violence far quicker than cops are. There is a reason our FF made sure to limit the militaries function in the borders of the country.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Fair enough.

This does not seem to be a winning strategy at all. In fact, it's one of the biggest reasons they lost this election, and I'm not just looking at it from a short term perspective. You can go back decades and examine and easily see it's not worth it. There are only 17.5m Latino voters. So 56-60% votes go to the D and that only means a ~2m gain there, but that's not a net gain because how many votes did they lose because of how they're viewed on immigration? It's one of the main reasons they lost blue collar male voters for seemingly good.

I understand what you're saying and it's fairly valid. The people holding office are idiots but where I see it differently is the people running strategy in the DNC can do this simple math.

Remember, under Obama we were putting families in detention camps and we had mounted border patrol chasing illegals with whips. Then Trump does it and the Dems went after him. They aren't who they pretend to be. They are actually pretty Draconian about the border. They use the media to make themselves look compassionate.
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I think the Democrat political machine wanted bad press for the right. I think they wanted Republicans to crack down in the states they controlled and cause uproar.

Bussing them to Democratic held cities and high profile, wealthy Democrat enclaves was 100% political stunt but effective. It out the spotlight back on Democrats.

I would disagree with Biden being pretty draconian in regards to the border. Unless I missed something and you were talking about Obama strictly.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Like C-south said......what rights? Criminals that are here illegally leave or get effed up. it's really simple.
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First of all, illegals have rights. They don't have the same rights as you or me, but they still have rights. And illegals aren't the only people who will get interfered with. I live in AZ and a big reason we've avoided allowing local law enforcement to handle immigration issues is it would mean bothering a lot of legal citizens. Nazis ask for papers. Not Americans.

In order for the NG, who has far less training and aptitude in dealing with civilians, to correctly identify illegal TdA members, they're going to have to bother a lot of innocent people. They don't have signs on their foreheads saying TdA.
 
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LouderVol said:
right because its so easy for the cops to identify them when they are citizens.

you are talking about full blown violence, and gun fights. there is no way citizens aren't involved.

The issue isn't that it comes to violence if necessary. the issue is the NG are going to turn to violence far quicker than cops are. There is a reason our FF made sure to limit the militaries function in the borders of the country.
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Now wait a minute, how many members of this FORIEGN gang are American citizens do you think?
 
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n_huffhines said:
First of all, illegals have rights. They don't have the same rights as you or me, but they still have rights. And illegals aren't the only people who will get interfered with. I live in AZ and a big reason we've avoided allowing local law enforcement to handle immigration issues is it would mean bothering a lot of legal citizens. Nazis ask for papers. Not Americans.

In order for the NG, who has far less training and aptitude in dealing with civilians, to correctly identify illegal TdA members, they're going to have to bother a lot of innocent people. They don't have signs on their foreheads saying TdA.
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I'm talking about foreigners. Members of a violent gang from another country. The only rights they have are to be put on a plane immediately once they surrender. If they do not surrender then they forfeit their lives. The idea here is to strike fear, and cause as many of them to leave on their own as possible so we will not have to deal with them.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I'm talking about foreigners. Members of a violent gang from another country. The only rights they have are to be put on a plane immediately once they surrender. If they do not surrender then they forfeit their lives. The idea here is to strike fear, and cause as many of them to leave on their own as possible so we will not have to deal with them.
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You're talking about sending the NG into another country? A massive, expensive operation to solve a problem that comprises of 2 murders (one being a gang member) here?
 
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norrislakevol said:
Now wait a minute, how many members of this FORIEGN gang are American citizens do you think?
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no idea. but willing to bet money its not zero.

its also not the first gang we have in this country. the cops haven't been able to identify those other gangs on looks alone in any meaningful way. no reason to think NG will be any better.
 
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LouderVol said:
no idea. but willing to bet money its not zero.

its also not the first gang we have in this country. the cops haven't been able to identify those other gangs on looks alone in any meaningful way. no reason to think NG will be any better.
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I understand that this isn't the first gang, but this is a Venezuelan gang made up of illegals....people who aren't supposed to be here in the first place.
 
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