Venting on today's young parents

#26
#26
Kids with cell phones who aren't even old enough work is messed up.

Kids walking around with their own tablets at family get togethers is messed up.

Kids with social media accounts... even more effed up.

As much as I'd like to agree with you, I cant.

Young kids having cell phones is a HUGE benefit to a parent. I know where my kids are at any point and can get in touch with them any time. When I pick them up at the movies, at the mall, etc.... I'm not sitting around waiting for them to find me. We put giving our youngest a phone as long as possible but now we're glad we did.

Tablets at family gatherings......kids sitting in front of tvs......... what's the diff? Some but not that much.


Social media (as well as cell phones) are the malls we grew up with. No need to meet there when you can go to twitter or fb to find and chat with your friends. Just a sign of the times.
 
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As much as I'd like to agree with you, I cant.

Young kids having cell phones is a HUGE benefit to a parent. I know where my kids are at any point and can get in touch with them any time. When I pick them up at the movies, at the mall, etc.... I'm not sitting around waiting for them to find me. We put giving our youngest a phone as long as possible but now we're glad we did.

Tablets at family gatherings......kids sitting in front of tvs......... what's the diff? Some but not that much.


Social media (as well as cell phones) are the malls we grew up with. No need to meet there when you can go to twitter or fb to find and chat with your friends. Just a sign of the times.

I agree with Coug. I don't allow my 12 year old around adults that I don't trust or that I don't have a number for. If my child needs a phone I have a pre-paid phone that they can use but must return to me when they get back.

Kids having their nose in electronics causes social issues for that child. They tend to be non social.

Social media is one of the worst things a child can have. There are uncounted missing kids that have met their captors online posing as a child wanting to meet. Also, kids are idiots. My wife lost her 16 year old sister in a car accident at the beginning of November. Seeing the 16 year old boy that was driving and some of his moron friends post online is disturbing. He has no filter online and is possibly facing charges in her and another boys death, you know that the D.A. is looking into it. All of it can come back to haunt you.

Then you have cyber bullying going on and businesses going online to see how a person really is. Social media can be useful but can be detrimental as well.
 
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As much as I'd like to agree with you, I cant.

Young kids having cell phones is a HUGE benefit to a parent. I know where my kids are at any point and can get in touch with them any time. When I pick them up at the movies, at the mall, etc.... I'm not sitting around waiting for them to find me. We put giving our youngest a phone as long as possible but now we're glad we did.

Tablets at family gatherings......kids sitting in front of tvs......... what's the diff? Some but not that much.


Social media (as well as cell phones) are the malls we grew up with. No need to meet there when you can go to twitter or fb to find and chat with your friends. Just a sign of the times.

I agree completely. My 12 year old has a smartphone. Yeah, I have to ration him sometimes, but I also know exactly where he is at all times; exactly who he's talking to and every text message also hits one of my devices so I can monitor it.

I've let him have a Twitter account which he only uses to follow and read but not Facebook.
 
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I'm just thankful there wasn't cell phones, internet and that our tablets were paper while growing up.
 
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I'm just thankful there wasn't cell phones, internet and that our tablets were paper while growing up.

We had a notebook and pen my mom kept nailed to the kitchen wall. Anytime I left with a friend or went wherever I had to write a note, and they would leave me and my sister notes. We also lived in a small town in Kentucky where everybody knew you. I got in trouble more than once because so and so saw me in town doing this or that. Different time when I grew up.
 
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We had a notebook and pen my mom kept nailed to the kitchen wall. Anytime I left with a friend or went wherever I had to write a note, and they would leave me and my sister notes. We also lived in a small town in Kentucky where everybody knew you. I got in trouble more than once because so and so saw me in town doing this or that. Different time when I grew up.

Sure was. I hated talking on the phone, still do and I would not have wanted my parents to be able to call me at anytime to find out where I was.
 
#32
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As much as I'd like to agree with you, I cant.

Young kids having cell phones is a HUGE benefit to a parent. I know where my kids are at any point and can get in touch with them any time. When I pick them up at the movies, at the mall, etc.... I'm not sitting around waiting for them to find me. We put giving our youngest a phone as long as possible but now we're glad we did.

I'm not so sure it's a benefit so much as maybe a laziness on the parents part. As a parent you should know where your underage child is at all times without the use of an electronic device. If you really want to "track" your child there are alternative, passive devices you could use to do that outside of a cell phone. There were parents picking their kids up at malls and movies in the 90's when there weren't cell phones. Tell your child exactly where to meet you and at what time and be there.

Tablets at family gatherings......kids sitting in front of tvs......... what's the diff? Some but not that much.

Not every family gathering has a tv running. Some actually encourage social interaction. After that it's not going to kill your child to actually be bored if that's the case, it'll encourage them to be social with other family members. Even after that you're letting the child have a tablet so you don't have to listen to him/her complain about being bored. Not much different than using a tv as a babysitter.

Social media (as well as cell phones) are the malls we grew up with. No need to meet there when you can go to twitter or fb to find and chat with your friends. Just a sign of the times.

Social media outlets are NOT the malls we grew up in. They're far more insidious and risky. Do you think a child needs the stress of their friends bragging about having more followers than your child has? Your child posting photos or videos of themself online that you otherwise wouldn't approve of. The risk of your child saying things online that could be offensive, embarrassing, or regretful that can be seen by everyone regardless of what privacy settings you think you've set. Social Media encourages people to maintain a connection to "friends" who aren't really their friends. Social media opens the door for all kinds of bullying, harassing, and just all kinds of internet creepiness. They're by far the harmless "meeting places" that you think they are.
 
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What does their age have to do with it? Just sounds like they are ****ty, regardless of age.
 
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Social media outlets are NOT the malls we grew up in. They're far more insidious and risky. Do you think a child needs the stress of their friends bragging about having more followers than your child has? Your child posting photos or videos of themself online that you otherwise wouldn't approve of. The risk of your child saying things online that could be offensive, embarrassing, or regretful that can be seen by everyone regardless of what privacy settings you think you've set. Social Media encourages people to maintain a connection to "friends" who aren't really their friends. Social media opens the door for all kinds of bullying, harassing, and just all kinds of internet creepiness. They're by far the harmless "meeting places" that you think they are.

This is old man-level craziness. None of that seems that dangerous or different from what I grew up with. Kids were dealing drugs and getting in fights at the mall. So what if someone cyberbullies you or you do something embarrassing. That really doesn't sound that bad. Just sounds like normal growing up.
 
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This is old man-level craziness. None of that seems that dangerous or different from what I grew up with. Kids were dealing drugs and getting in fights at the mall. So what if someone cyberbullies you or you do something embarrassing. That really doesn't sound that bad. Just sounds like normal growing up.

I didn't bring up the mall reference I was just going along with Grevehaller's example. The times I spent in malls, which was minimal, I certainly wasn't dealing drugs or buying them.

Doing it online is a big deal because it's basically written in stone and you can't undo it once it's on there. You can TRY and delete it but by then someone has retweeted it or copied and pasted it somewhere where you can't touch it.
 
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This is old man-level craziness. None of that seems that dangerous or different from what I grew up with. Kids were dealing drugs and getting in fights at the mall. So what if someone cyberbullies you or you do something embarrassing. That really doesn't sound that bad. Just sounds like normal growing up.

Never got the hanging out at the mall thing but of course it was an hour drive to get to the nearest one when I was a kid.
 
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I'm not so sure it's a benefit so much as maybe a laziness on the parents part. As a parent you should know where your underage child is at all times without the use of an electronic device. If you really want to "track" your child there are alternative, passive devices you could use to do that outside of a cell phone. There were parents picking their kids up at malls and movies in the 90's when there weren't cell phones. Tell your child exactly where to meet you and at what time and be there.



Not every family gathering has a tv running. Some actually encourage social interaction. After that it's not going to kill your child to actually be bored if that's the case, it'll encourage them to be social with other family members. Even after that you're letting the child have a tablet so you don't have to listen to him/her complain about being bored. Not much different than using a tv as a babysitter.



Social media outlets are NOT the malls we grew up in. They're far more insidious and risky. Do you think a child needs the stress of their friends bragging about having more followers than your child has? Your child posting photos or videos of themself online that you otherwise wouldn't approve of. The risk of your child saying things online that could be offensive, embarrassing, or regretful that can be seen by everyone regardless of what privacy settings you think you've set. Social Media encourages people to maintain a connection to "friends" who aren't really their friends. Social media opens the door for all kinds of bullying, harassing, and just all kinds of internet creepiness. They're by far the harmless "meeting places" that you think they are.


sorry, but with each counter point its clear you are myopic in your views. You want to look at one point in time but fail to look at the entire picture.

I've was there in your shoes about a cell phone. I didn't care for the kids to have them. We held out on giving it to the kids. Problem is once they had them I did see the benefit. There's no waiting on a kid - you know where they are. You don't sit around hoping they'll show up when they say. You can find them immediately and talk to them. And that's not from "lazy parenting". They are kids learning how to be a human. They will be late, they will push the envelope on how far they can go with the parental leash. But I can contact them immediately, I can tell them where to meet me after school, they can tell me where they will be after school. No guessing. Why? its called communication. They learned how to communicate with us and we with them seeing eye to eye.

As for the mall, that was the reference from my day. Mall, town square, square dance at the local barn, roller skating rink,....... they're all part of our culture and growing up. Its how we socialized with others. Its called being human. It was a mall in the 80s, town square in the 50s, barn dance in the 30s, and today its cyber space. The location changes but the function doesn't. We as humans, and especially teens, like to get together. Its not about how many friends follow you or how many girls you two stepped with or the number of times you circled the square in your car. Today they use the web to get together. Tomorrow it'll be something different.

Its really amazing how near sighted you are and how you cant relate to how things change from generation to generation. Just because its different doesn't mean its bad. The world didn't go to hell when we went from horse and buggy to cars. Its not crapping out because people chat on line versus going out.
 
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I didn't bring up the mall reference I was just going along with Grevehaller's example. The times I spent in malls, which was minimal, I certainly wasn't dealing drugs or buying them.

Doing it online is a big deal because it's basically written in stone and you can't undo it once it's on there. You can TRY and delete it but by then someone has retweeted it or copied and pasted it somewhere where you can't touch it.

Coug, if you don't have kids it might be best to bow out of this argument. As PJ said earlier: a lot of your preconceived notions of child rearing change when it's your turn.

As for teens using technology, it's something they need to learn to do and it's the parents job to make sure they are learning the responsibilities that go along with it.
 
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Coug, if you don't have kids it might be best to bow out of this argument. As PJ said earlier: a lot of your preconceived notions of child rearing change when it's your turn.

As for teens using technology, it's something they need to learn to do and it's the parents job to make sure they are learning the responsibilities that go along with it.

My dad taught me how to find porn. That's the responsible thing.
 
#41
#41
My biggest problem with all the technology and social media is the perverts out there who prey on kids. We can talk all we want about watching our kids, but kids are gonna be kids and find ways to hide things from us. Teach them by example, monitor them, limit their time, and pray they make the right choices.
 
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sorry, but with each counter point its clear you are myopic in your views. You want to look at one point in time but fail to look at the entire picture.

I'm most assuredly not focusing on one point in time. The logic carries through.

I've was there in your shoes about a cell phone. I didn't care for the kids to have them. We held out on giving it to the kids. Problem is once they had them I did see the benefit. There's no waiting on a kid - you know where they are. You don't sit around hoping they'll show up when they say. You can find them immediately and talk to them. And that's not from "lazy parenting". They are kids learning how to be a human. They will be late, they will push the envelope on how far they can go with the parental leash. But I can contact them immediately, I can tell them where to meet me after school, they can tell me where they will be after school. No guessing. Why? its called communication. They learned how to communicate with us and we with them seeing eye to eye.

Point being, without the use of a cell phone a parent should know where their underage child is at any given point in time. A child can be taught to be punctual with a watch, it doesn't really require a phone call or a cell phone. Will they be late, will they push the limits, absolutely that's when you deal with it when it happens. I'm not quite sure where you were going with "a kid learning how to be human with a cell phone". I'm sure they can be just as human without one in fact probably more so because their head isn't buried in an electronic device on a constant basis.

Its not about how many friends follow you or how many girls you two stepped with or the number of times you circled the square in your car. Today they use the web to get together. Tomorrow it'll be something different.

You're right with regard to social media, it's not 'supposed' to be about how many friends you follow, or what Jason told Rebecca, or what John said about your child on Facebook but it does in fact come down to that and other crazy little things like that because that's how kids are.

Its really amazing how near sighted you are and how you cant relate to how things change from generation to generation. Just because its different doesn't mean its bad. The world didn't go to hell when we went from horse and buggy to cars. Its not crapping out because people chat on line versus going out.

I'm not so much near sided as perhaps I just know far more about what goes on on the internet than you've ever really thought of. I'm also not saying that everything that's different is bad. Are there benefits to these devices and outlets? Sure, but if we're being honest a cell phone is 90% a luxury and 10% a communication device. Social media outlets are far worse and simply perpetuate completely passive communication skills. The majority of what is posted on social media is typically useless drivel and mostly for entertainment purposes. Status updates, random phrases, stupid pics, funny pics, videos, vines, random quotes.
 
#43
#43
I get what you're saying, but all that's really changed from the telephone to the TV to the internet to the smartphone is the speed with which info moves. Kids today can get into and out of trouble faster than I ever thought of, but most of the issues are the same.
 
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I didn't bring up the mall reference I was just going along with Grevehaller's example. The times I spent in malls, which was minimal, I certainly wasn't dealing drugs or buying them.

Doing it online is a big deal because it's basically written in stone and you can't undo it once it's on there. You can TRY and delete it but by then someone has retweeted it or copied and pasted it somewhere where you can't touch it.

So because you didn't it must not have happened.
 
#45
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There are certainly crappy parents of every generation. Seems like people are more vocal about it now, though.

People talk about "kids these days" being buried in their smart phones, but when my family gets together, my parents are the ones glued to their devices while the grandkids get ignored. I guess I just have different experiences, and thus different perspective.
 
#46
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Every generation is worse according to the last. It's the same in the Army. All the old timers say that Soldiers nowadays aren't as good/hard/etc. It's never going to change
 
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Right, most people remember the past to be better than it was. It's a widely discussed bias in psychology/economics.
 
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The problem with today's parents are a lot of them make their children feel like they're better than everyone else. That is why i think so many children and young people are very arrogant these days.
 
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Right, most people remember the past to be better than it was. It's a widely discussed bias in psychology/economics.

Yep ... I hate to break it to the old guys, but kids today are the same as 50 years ago. There are just more of them and they have more and different options.
 

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