Vermont single payer health insurance

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droski said:
black people and hispanics are fatter than white people in this country. that is not true for europe. is this really that complicated?
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Data please - because that certainly is way outside a gray area on racism without some facts.

Regardless, I debunked this long ago in this thread. Obesity rates are not that far off, both are growing at far too high a rate.
 
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United States Percent 0.0% - 100.0%
Overweight and Obesity Rates for Adults by Race/Ethnicity, 2009



White 60.2%

Black 68.4%

Hispanic 63.2%

Asian/Pacific Islander 41.2%

American Indian/Alaska Native 67.0%

Other 58.1%
 
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You are welcome
 
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droski said:
United States Percent 0.0% - 100.0%
Overweight and Obesity Rates for Adults by Race/Ethnicity, 2009



White 60.2%

Black 68.4%

Hispanic 63.2%

Asian/Pacific Islander 41.2%

American Indian/Alaska Native 67.0%

Other 58.1%
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The obesity rate for the whole country is 30%!!! What is this data?
 
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droski said:
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You are welcome
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Overall obesity rate in the UK is 23-24%. Not sure where this data came from.

Regardless, the 8% difference in obesity (and overweight) rates explains the demarcation in the health outcomes in this country?

Might want to put down the crack pipe, droski.

And how does it explain the radical health outcomes between black and white men?

You have some explaining to do.
 
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utgibbs said:
Overall obesity rate in the UK is 23-24%. Not sure where this data came from.

Regardless, the 8% difference in obesity (and overweight) rates explains the demarcation in the health outcomes in this country?

Might want to put down the crack pipe, droski.
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this is rich coming from a person who routinely posts charts and graphs without any sort of attribution.
 
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MG1968 said:
this is rich coming from a person who routinely posts charts and graphs without any sort of attribution.
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Actually, I usually try to post the source. Often it is on the curve itself. So another one you got wrong.

Regardless, I don't know which year the graph is from, but it can only be from a long time ago.
 
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utgibbs said:
Actually, I usually try to post the source. Often it is on the curve itself. So another one you got wrong.

Regardless, I don't know which year the graph is from, but it can only be from a long time ago.
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rightclick on the graph. left click on properties. are you completely computer illiterate on top of everything else?
 
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droski said:
yes.
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Wrong:

Multiple factors contribute to racial/ethnic health disparities, including socioeconomic factors (e.g., education, employment, and income), lifestyle behaviors (e.g., physical activity and alcohol intake), social environment (e.g., educational and economic opportunities, racial/ethnic discrimination, and neighborhood and work conditions), and access to preventive health-care services (e.g., cancer screening and vaccination) (8). Recent immigrants also can be at increased risk for chronic disease and injury, particularly those who lack fluency in English and familiarity with the U.S. health-care system or who have different cultural attitudes about the use of traditional versus conventional medicine. Approximately 6% of persons who identified themselves as Black or African American in the 2000 census were foreign-born.
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Health Disparities Experienced by Black or African Americans --- United States

Give 'em enough rope....
 
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utgibbs said:
The random numbers (which were incorrect) were the claim the UK obesity rate (and growth rate) was half of our own.

The comparison between Cuba health metrics and our own shows the "race" argument is completely and utterly debunked.
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As to my made up numbers, for the UK, based on what I read at the time (from "Statistics on obesity, physical activity and diet: England, 2011"):

"In 2009, almost a quarter of adults (22% of men and 24% of women aged 16 or over) in England were classified as obese."

For the US ()WIN - Statistics

"Women: 35.5 percent, Men: 32.2 percent"

So yea, that is, for all practical purposes, double. Or we can "quibble" and say 1.5x for men and women.

Now, to continue:

What race argument? There is a strong correlation between race and obesity.

http://win.niddk.nih.gov/statistics/#overweight said:
Non-Hispanic Black Women: 49.6 percent
Hispanic Women: 43 percent
Non-Hispanic White Women: 33 percent

Non-Hispanic Black Men: 37.3 percent
Hispanic Men: 34.3 percent
Non-Hispanic White Men: 31.9 percent

Asian Americans: 8.9 percent
Native Americans and Alaska Natives: 32.4 percent
Native Hawaiians or Other Pacific Islanders: 31 percent
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But other than stating that it exists, I don't recall having used it as defense of anything.
 
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So... Why does everybody suppose that overweight/obesity rates are higher amongst Hispanic and Black communities? Anyone?

Also, I think you'd find that overweight/obesity rates would vary greatly among white people depending on region.
 
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I hear white people are more likely to get a melanoma. Better call Jesse Jackson.
 
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Gibbs, since Milo stated that looking at private systems is pretty much an n=1 data set, I decided to expand by looking at individual states.

So, care to explain why Wyoming (with less costs) is somehow more "efficient" than California or Mass? Maybe Wyoming just has more "incentive"?

Or, maybe it is because health care costs and population size have a lot to do with each other.

Remind me again, how does UK's population size compare to the US?

Data is taken from 2000 population, ranked in order of least (Wyoming at 50) to most (Cali at 1). Health care costs taken from estimated annual medical costs of obesity from 1998-2000.
 

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fl0at said:
As to my made up numbers, for the UK, based on what I read at the time (from "Statistics on obesity, physical activity and diet: England, 2011"):

"In 2009, almost a quarter of adults (22% of men and 24% of women aged 16 or over) in England were classified as obese."

For the US ()WIN - Statistics

"Women: 35.5 percent, Men: 32.2 percent"

So yea, that is, for all practical purposes, double. Or we can "quibble" and say 1.5x for men and women.

Now, to continue:

What race argument? There is a strong correlation between race and obesity.



But other than stating that it exists, I don't recall having used it as defense of anything.
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Your argument has been debunked by American, peer-reviewed studies I've quoted.

Moreover, you need to report data on a per capita basis when comparing different populations (and this is why I'm so bored with this thread now):

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The absurdity of arguing a higher obesity rate in the US (50%, not 100% higher) explains the inefficiency in our system relative to UK, is so patently childish, it beggars the imagination, and is just boring now (and is not supported by peer review studies).

Moreover, it does nothing to explain the severe rationing we have in this country. In addition, although it may explain a few discrepencies in health outcomes, it certainly is a tiny percentage of a wide gap. Moreover, when we compare with Cuba's performance, it certainly throws a spot-light on why racial considerations should matter at all. And yet, we have a huge discrepency within ethnicities in this country.

The single payer systems - normalized for population provide better care for lower cost.

If n=1, then it is a diabolically inefficient and poorly performing unique example.
 
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utgibbs said:
Moreover, you need to report data on a per capita basis when comparing different populations
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Doing so right now. I'll upload the new one as soon as it is finished.

And, as to peer reviewed, studies between Wyoming and Cali have been done? Can I read one?
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Ok Gibbs, here ya go. Take note of the slope of the trend line.

As population sizes decrease, so do costs, per capita.

As obesity ranking decreases, costs decrease, per capita.

If you want the spreadsheet, just PM me and I'll send it along.
 

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