Very Alarming Trend for Tennessee

#26
#26
oklavol said:
Well, I haven't heard any good arguments to make me believe Trooper isn't a good coach and won't make the most of what available talent UT has. No one expected the WR's to be as good as they are this year. I think he deserves some credit for that.

Cutcliffe is a good QB coach, enough said.

Brooks and Chavis have had outstanding DL's and LB's groups in the past. I think they will continue to in the future, granted this year they are disappointing.

If you want to fire, Slade, Roper, Adkins or any of the rest of them I don't have a problem. But there are some quality coaches on the staff.
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Exactly what great players did Taylor produce at his previous stops? I realize his energy endears him to some, but the record doesn't bear out that he's a great coach. A healthy Robert Meachem was going to have a great year as long as UT got competent QB play. I can't wait to see how all the Trooperophiles explain it next year when our WRs are totally unproductive.
 
#27
#27
Trooper coached RB's the past couple of years and he done a great Job with them. Now he's moved to WR and they've turned it around. Now our RB's aren't very good again. Come on Hat, give credit where credit is due.
 
#28
#28
hatvol96 said:
Exactly what great players did Taylor produce at his previous stops? I realize his energy endears him to some, but the record doesn't bear out that he's a great coach. A healthy Robert Meachem was going to have a great year as long as UT got competent QB play. I can't wait to see how all the Trooperophiles explain it next year when our WRs are totally unproductive.
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He's done a good job with Meachem, B Smith, & Swain this year. They are noticably better. Its true Meachem was hurt last, but I dont remember his hands being hurt? Their big problem was dropping passes. Its hard for me to imagine someone will Trooper's personality not being a good recruiter. He was a nice addition to the staff SO FAR.
 
#29
#29
oklavol said:
He's done a good job with Meachem, B Smith, & Swain this year. They are noticably better. Its true Meachem was hurt last, but I dont remember his hands being hurt? Their big problem was dropping passes.
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You can't really coach someone to catch.

All college WR's should have good enough hands, I am betting it was a bad year. If he didn't know how to catch before, he shouldn't have been here.
 
#30
#30
swami2302 said:
Trooper coached RB's the past couple of years and he done a great Job with them. Now he's moved to WR and they've turned it around. Now our RB's aren't very good again. Come on Hat, give credit where credit is due.
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Yeah, the running back play was just superb last year. I guess they've all just forgotten Trooper's sage teachings this year.
 
#31
#31
oklavol said:
He's done a good job with Meachem, B Smith, & Swain this year. They are noticably better. Its true Meachem was hurt last, but I dont remember his hands being hurt? Their big problem was dropping passes. Its hard for me to imagine someone will Trooper's personality not being a good recruiter. He was a nice addition to the staff SO FAR.
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Trooper Taylor=A cheap, second rate knock off of Rodney Garner.
 
#33
#33
hatvol96 said:
Really good logic, considering all the productive WRs will be gone after this season and replaced by a group of guys who have shown no ability to make plays against quality opponents. However, Lucas Taylor has proven he can fumble punts.
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I don't think we can judge the WR position at UT past the first three. It is well known that the top three get 90% of practice reps and off season work. That was the main focus this year, only play three WR. I am not suprised that there is a perceived fall off past Meach, Swain, and Smith.

I think with first team attention to Briscoe, Rogers, or Shelley they can become quality receivers. Not to mention potential in Grimes and Taylor.

Time will tell, but all is not lost at Wide Receiver U.
 
#36
#36
hatvol96 said:
Foster ran up good numbers against bad to mediocre defenses. He was, is, and always will be merely a serviceable back.
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I can't stand Foster. I hate to watch backs who dance around behind the line looking for space. Hit the hole and run North and South. I was gald when Foster wasn't playing.
 
#38
#38
hatvol96 said:
Exactly what great players did Taylor produce at his previous stops? I realize his energy endears him to some, but the record doesn't bear out that he's a great coach. A healthy Robert Meachem was going to have a great year as long as UT got competent QB play. I can't wait to see how all the Trooperophiles explain it next year when our WRs are totally unproductive.
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I assume that makes you a Gardnerphile?
 
#39
#39
I've always tried to stay away from the coaching controversies on this board, but whether or not it's coaching abilities that create a leader like an Al Wilson, until we get some leaders on the team like him and his teamates, the Volunteers will stay one rung below championship calibre.
 
#40
#40
UT IE 95 said:
I don't think we can judge the WR position at UT past the first three. It is well known that the top three get 90% of practice reps and off season work. That was the main focus this year, only play three WR. I am not suprised that there is a perceived fall off past Meach, Swain, and Smith.

I think with first team attention to Briscoe, Rogers, or Shelley they can become quality receivers. Not to mention potential in Grimes and Taylor.

Time will tell, but all is not lost at Wide Receiver U.
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Grimes has been around UT for a few years. I'm pretty sure he's behind walkon Casey Woods on the depth chart. I wouldn't cound on him being a contributor.
 
#41
#41
hmanvolfan said:
I've always tried to stay away from the coaching controversies on this board, but whether or not it's coaching abilities that create a leader like an Al Wilson, until we get some leaders on the team like him and his teamates, the Volunteers will stay one rung below championship calibre.
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You hear things like that from time to time, but I just don't think it's that complex or "mysterious."

To say that we have to have one of the best LBs on the planet to win in the SEC is a stretch. Or unless we have Reggie White our DL isn't good enough. Rarely do those types of players come along. But if you are relying on some of the best to play at their position in recent times for success in college, then you need a better coach.

Very few teams have those types of players. Even less have them playing together or on successive teams. If you can sprinkle them in along the way, then that is pretty good.
 
#42
#42
Liper said:
You hear things like that from time to time, but I just don't think it's that complex or "mysterious."

To say that we have to have one of the best LBs on the planet to win in the SEC is a stretch. Or unless we have Reggie White our DL isn't good enough. Rarely do those types of players come along. But if you are relying on some of the best to play at their position in recent times for success in college, then you need a better coach.

Very few teams have those types of players. Even less have them playing together or on successive teams. If you can sprinkle them in along the way, then that is pretty good.
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I'm sorry, you severely missed the point. The post wasn't concerning world class players, it was trying to point out we don't have the leaders to rise to the top. Coaches coach and leaders lead on the field. A punter, offensive lineman or kicker can lead. To say that a coach is the ultimate reason that a team wins or loses is tantamount to naivety. Coaches are here to bring out the talent the players already have.
 
#44
#44
kptvol said:
Grimes has been around UT for a few years. I'm pretty sure he's behind walkon Casey Woods on the depth chart. I wouldn't cound on him being a contributor.
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True dat. Bad example by me - I didn't think he'd been around that long. Kid looks great, but you're right - he's practice squad material.
 
#45
#45
hmanvolfan said:
I'm sorry, you severely missed the point. The post wasn't concerning world class players, it was trying to point out we don't have the leaders to rise to the top. Coaches coach and leaders lead on the field. A punter, offensive lineman or kicker can lead. To say that a coach is the ultimate reason that a team wins or loses is tantamount to naivety. Coaches are here to bring out the talent the players already have.
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Yeah, I did get off course. My bad.

However, the point still stands: If you're depending on having the greatest leader to ever play at TN to run the team, then you need to get new coaches.

I just don't see why in the world we pay these coaches $2 mil to recruit and clap, if everything is the players' responsibility.

My experience and observation has been that great coaches create leadership among their chargees.
 
#46
#46
hatvol96 said:
That's it. Create fictitious championships for TCHFCATUTK to brag about.
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I may be sorry for asking this, but what does the acronym mean? I know its something about Fulmer.....call me ignorant. I just gotta know. LOL
 
#47
#47
The current head football coach at the university of tennessee knoxville
 
#49
#49
thanks big daddy. i have seen that a few times and never knew what it meant. Vol fans, I am bringin' my little boy to his first Big Orange game next weekend. He's only 2 1/2 but can sing Rocky Top like nobody's business and says his favorite color is "go big orange". :)
 
#50
#50
crimedawg12 said:
Reminds me of the old World Television Title!
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Division titles aren't even that prestigious. They're more like the Western States Heritage Title the NWA/WCW created for absolutely no apparent reason, other than to give Barry Windham and Larry Zybszko something to feud about.
 
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