Vic Wharton tweet says refs from last night got suspended

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volfan411 said:
The thing no one knows is when the official ruled him down or forward progress stopped. Both officials ran the the same spot on the field so both seen something that made them mark that spot.
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If they were ruling on forward progress, then they still blew the call, as he was well past the marker when they came running in.
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
Rocky Goode

"As the head of replay officials my job is to make sure we get it right, and in this case we got it right. Not changing that call would have been atrocious"
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Of course he's going to defend the decision. The role of the replay official would be seriously undermined if he admitted that the official didn't apply the correct standard.
 
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bamawriter said:
If they were ruling on forward progress, then they still blew the call, as he was well past the marker when they came running in.
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The replay booth ruled on forward progress when AJ forced a fumble in the Bama game. The ruling on the field was a turnover, but the booth said forward progress was stopped so no fumble. If the replay official can do whatever he wants, then why don't they call missed penalties or overturn bad calls all game?
 
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bamawriter said:
If they were ruling on forward progress, then they still blew the call, as he was well past the marker when they came running in.
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I agree but they are taught to go to the spot where they deemed forward progress stopped and only the officials on the field know when they determined that point.
 
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dreVol said:
The replay booth ruled on forward progress when AJ forced a fumble in the Bama game. The ruling on the field was a turnover, but the booth said forward progress was stopped so no fumble. If the replay official can do whatever he wants, then why don't they call missed penalties or overturn bad calls all game?
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Actually, one official on the field overruled the fumble call. It went to replay as forward progress stopped, so nothing was overturned by the booth.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
But it doesn't matter. There wasn't indisputable evidence that he didn't make the right call.

When you can't see the damn ball, go with what the field says.
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Again, my opinion isn't restrained by that standard. But, you are totally justified in being pissed about the methodology used to overturn the call.
 
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Statistically, how many QB sneak ball spots are changed on review? I'm willing to bet that almost none of them are reversed. You know why? Oftentimes you can't see the ball and, therefore, can't meet the standard to overturn the call on the field.

We're arguing in circles with bamawriter, because he's of the opinion that the replay official can use any standard of review so long as the call is "right." As long as the call is "right" - however that term is defined - then the criteria used by the replay official is irrelevant.
 
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bamawriter said:
I get that. Doesn't mean they made the right determination.
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They DID NOT make the right call. There was no proof that he did or did not make it.

Using the same irrational logic. One could argue that, it's vandy, it was obvious he was tryin to shove the ball up his arse. But there's no evidence of that either. :hi:
 
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bamawriter said:
Again, my opinion isn't restrained by that standard. But, you are totally justified in being pissed about the methodology used to overturn the call.
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And if it were your team this weekend that had the officials throw protocol to the wind TWICE on official reviews that put the outcome in the hands of the refs you'd have a much different stance.
 
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dreVol said:
Statistically, how many QB sneak ball spots are changed on review? I'm willing to bet that almost none of them are reversed. You know why? Oftentimes you can't see the ball and, therefore, can't meet the standard to overturn the call on the field.

We're arguing in circles with bamawriter, because he's of the opinion that the replay official can use any standard of review so long as the call is "right." As long as the call is "right" - however that term is defined - then the criteria used by the replay official is irrelevant.
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No, you are misrepresenting my position. I don't think the replay official can just apply whatever standard he wants. I don't think this particular official used the required standard in this instance.

I am simply more concerned with the fact that the officials on the field marked the ball somewhere near the runners knees. My frustration is simply placed somewhere other than yours.
 
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IM4TN said:
They DID NOT make the right call. There was no proof that he did or did not make it.

Using the same irrational logic. One could argue that, it's vandy, it was obvious he was tryin to shove the ball up his arse. But there's no evidence of that either. :hi:
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Are you arguing with the replay official's opinion or mine?
 
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bamawriter said:
No, you are misrepresenting my position. I don't think the replay official can just apply whatever standard he wants. I don't think this particular official used the required standard in this instance.

I am simply more concerned with the fact that the officials on the field marked the ball somewhere near the runners knees. My frustration is simply placed somewhere other than yours.
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But once again, what you saw and what they saw may have been two completely different things. In those situations, the precedent has always been go with the field.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
And if it were your team this weekend that had the officials throw protocol to the wind TWICE on official reviews that put the outcome in the hands of the refs you'd have a much different stance.
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Probably. But it wasn't. So I'm not really tainted by my bias. At least, not to the degree that you are.
 
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bamawriter said:
No, you are misrepresenting my position. I don't think the replay official can just apply whatever standard he wants. I don't think this particular official used the required standard in this instance.

I am simply more concerned with the fact that the officials on the field marked the ball somewhere near the runners knees. My frustration is simply placed somewhere other than yours.
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I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position. You believe the call on the field was wrong. You agree with the replay official's decision to overturn the call. You've disregarded the standard of review to overturn a ruling on the field to "get the call right" - a position you acknowledge above.
 
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JFBanicki said:
Well the problem is that even though it is easy to say the QB crossed the first down marker, it was completely impossible to see where the ball was at the time or if he even had it. The whole point of the replay is to get the correct call and to overturn a call on the field they must have indisputable video evidence which is something they did not have on that call. Without being able to see the ball it is not only reasonable, but rather easy to dispute the overturn.
By them overturning the call on VERY disputable video they completely threw the whole point of the replays out the window and just did as they pleased. They also did it at a time that had a major affect in the outcome of the game.

Now should one questionable call get them suspended no, but factor in that it removed one of the conferences most popular teams from bowl eligibility and the possible revenues that were just lost and I could see the conference using that as a reason to suspend them.
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Very well said, sir.:good!:
 
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rocketskates said:
Who cares? The refs didn't cost us that game. We had multiple opportunities to put the game away and simply didn't execute. Blame officiating all you want but Vandy was trying to give us that game and in true Tennessee fashion of the last several years we played hot potato and gave it back.
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How many times do you have to put the game away? The answer should be "Only Once".

It was a close game, where both teams had several opportunities to snatch a strong upper-hand.

Vandy's fumbles were their missed opportunities to gain control of their in-game destiny.

We had penalties that thwarted scores and our share of turn-overs too.

There are multiple opportunities for each team to gain control. A team can not always be successful with their own opportunities - if so, then no one would ever lose and we'd never see a close game.

Tennessee had an opportunity to put the game away on 4th & 1 and, according to the line judge/s, they did just that. If we are to follow the NCAA established instructions in the rule-book, we would find that those instructions would support the ruling on the field.

There are people speculating that the replay officials have access to different views of the play. You may recall, ESPN regularly lets the audience know that the replays we see on our TV's is the exact same video evidence the replay officials have - because ESPN cameras provide all of the replay footage.

Knowing this and reading the NCAA rules for over-turning on-field calls through replay, it becomes obvious that the spot of the ball should've never been relocated.

Why does it suck? Because the on-field spot seemed incorrect and that would have been a slap in the face to Vanderbilt. However, disregarding the the refs' on-field judgement, blatantly ignoring the replay procedure instructions, changing the spot, and awarding Vandy a 1st & 10 is a slap in the face to Tennessee.

The line judge/s called the spot and confirmed it with each other on the field. It may have been a bad spot, but that doesn't matter. They made the mistake and further compounded it by making another mistake when they ignored the obvious lack of conclusive video evidence and changed the spot of the ball.

When it comes to referees, regardless of the teams involved, mistakes of this magnitude shouldn't be tolerated on any level of scholastic or professional athletics.

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Edit to Add:

bamawriter, your screen name would win the gold in every event at the 'Oxymoron Olympics'!
 
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dreVol said:
I don't think I'm misrepresenting your position. You believe the call on the field was wrong. You agree with the replay official's decision to overturn the call. You've disregarded the standard of review to overturn a ruling on the field to "get the call right" - a position you acknowledge above.
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Fine. I don't feel like haggling over those semantics.

In the end, both the on-field spot and replay reversal were wrong according to the rulebook. I guess I'm in favor of doing away with the one that was more fundamentally unfair. In the end, that's what happened. Two wrongs don't make a right, but in this case the second wrong negated the more egregious original wrong.
 
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bamawriter said:
Fine. I don't feel like haggling over those semantics.

In the end, both the on-field spot and replay reversal were wrong according to the rulebook. I guess I'm in favor of doing away with the one that was more fundamentally unfair. In the end, that's what happened. Two wrongs don't make a right, but in this case the second wrong negated the more egregious original wrong.
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I would argue the second was the worse wrong. Both line judges were unanimous on their spot. One could conclude they saw something the replay official did not. When the call is in question like that you trust your eyes closest to the action. The replay official did not.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
I would argue the second was the worse wrong. Both line judges were unanimous on their spot. One could conclude they saw something the replay official did not. When the call is in question like that you trust your eyes closest to the action. The replay official did not.
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The two linesman thing is a failure of an argument. One linesman signals that he has a view of the spot, and the other opposite him makes his spot off the first guy. So they did not necessarily see the same thing.

I have no idea what either linesman thought he saw. But they marked the ball neer ACS' s knees, almost a yard behind where he was holding the ball. So in the end, I don't care why they marked it where they did, because they were unbelievably wrong.

If you think that reversing that call was worse than making that call, then I'm certainly not going to convince you otherwise. It is what it is.
 
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The ref started at around the qb's midsection, and then slant walked back to the qb's ankles. Maybe he was drunk...
 
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