Vic Wharton tweet says refs from last night got suspended

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40Cap said:
I've already answered this several times, citing the rule, and you continue to choose to ignore it. His job is to determine if there is indisputable video evidence to over-turn. on -field officials have to use a lot of judgement in order to do their job's effectively, replay officials don't have that latitude.
"The instant replay process operates under the fundamental assumption that the ruling on the field is correct."
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Sigh. Have you considered the possibility that the replay official considered the evidence indisputable? I'm not saying I would agree in this case, but it's his role, and his role alone, to determine what constitutes indisputable evidence on any particular review.
 
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To the point about Tennessee not being "injured" by the overturned call - That's arguable as well. Football is a game played with lots of emotion. Having celebrated a "victory" and having to come back out and play was a difficult situation & gave "unearned" momentum to Vanderbilt.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Under the current rules the spot should have stood for that reason.

One can argue that probability should be included into making judgement in that case, but thats a different discussion.
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Exactly. Under the current rules, that play should have stood as is. His job doesn't afford him to use anything but cold hard video evidence. Such evidence he did not have.
 
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Rizzo924 said:
To the point about Tennessee not being "injured" by the overturned call - That's arguable as well. Football is a game played with lots of emotion. Having celebrated a "victory" and having to come back out and play was a difficult situation & gave "unearned" momentum to Vanderbilt.
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It was also a long stop in play, that gave Vandy additional time to call a play.
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
Rocky Goode

"As the head of replay officials my job is to make sure we get it right, and in this case we got it right. Not changing that call would have been atrocious"
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Then he misunderstands his job and how he is supposed to do it. There was no way anyone with a sound mind could say evidence was beyond doubt that the ball crossed the plane.
 
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Rizzo924 said:
To the point about Tennessee not being "injured" by the overturned call - That's arguable as well. Football is a game played with lots of emotion. Having celebrated a "victory" and having to come back out and play was a difficult situation & gave "unearned" momentum to Vanderbilt.
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But any emotional lift they might have gotten they never should have had.
 
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bamawriter said:
Sigh. Have you considered the possibility that the replay official considered the evidence indisputable? I'm not saying I would agree in this case, but it's his role, and his role alone, to determine what constitutes indisputable evidence on any particular review.
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If anything they should clean up spot rules in replay after this weekend. If he can't see the ball, he shouldn't guess where it is.
 
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Rizzo924 said:
To the point about Tennessee not being "injured" by the overturned call - That's arguable as well. Football is a game played with lots of emotion. Having celebrated a "victory" and having to come back out and play was a difficult situation & gave "unearned" momentum to Vanderbilt.
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One of Jones" mistakes IMO was not calling a timeout after the overturn and refocusing the defense.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Then he misunderstands his job and how he is supposed to do it. There was no way anyone with a sound mind could say evidence was beyond doubt that the ball crossed the plane.
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Are you also mad at the officials on the field for blowing the call in the first place? Or is your ire reserved only for the replay official for not following protocol?
 
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bamawriter said:
Are you also mad at the officials on the field for blowing the call in the first place? Or is your ire reserved only for the replay official for not following protocol?
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How do you know he blew the call? He could have seen something the booth clearly did not see. That's the whole problem. The booth is supposed to treat the situation as the right call was made and overturn it with indisputable evidence. That was not the case Saturday night.

Edit: and even if it was a blown call, all the blown calls on Vandy late would have just been poetic justice. Facemasks, bogus "incomplete" passes that were in fact caught.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
How do you know he blew the call? He could have seen something the booth clearly did not see. That's the whole problem. The booth is supposed to treat the situation as the right call was made and overturn it with indisputable evidence. That was not the case Saturday night.
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Personally, I'm not bound by any standard of "indisputable evidence", so I can use common sense. And unless he was carrying the ball somewhere around mid-thigh, it's not possible that he failed to get the first down. So, yeah, I have absolutely no doubt that the refs blew the call on the field.
 
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bamawriter said:
Personally, I'm not bound by any standard of "indisputable evidence", so I can use common sense. And unless he was carrying the ball somewhere around mid-thigh, it's not possible that he failed to get the first down. So, yeah, I have absolutely no doubt that the refs blew the call on the field.
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Well good thing you aren't a replay official. They however are bound by indisputable evidence and treating the call on the field as right otherwise. Who knows if the original spot was a blown spot, but the challenge result was just as bad if not worse based on what was seen.

Also see my edit about all the stuff that went against us late.
 
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bamawriter said:
Personally, I'm not bound by any standard of "indisputable evidence", so I can use common sense. And unless he was carrying the ball somewhere around mid-thigh, it's not possible that he failed to get the first down. So, yeah, I have absolutely no doubt that the refs blew the call on the field.
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That's a bit of an exaggeration. If the ball was below his chest, I don't think he got it. And if the ball was at his chest, it was close enough to warrant measuring.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What about the god awful call on Pig Howard's catch?
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I had changed channel when that happened. When I flipped back, I only saw two replays. I could see how one would determine that he didn't complete the catch before going out, but I didn't watch it enough to really comment with any confidence.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That's a bit of an exaggeration. If the ball was below his chest, I don't think he got it. And if the ball was at his chest, it was close enough to warrant measuring.
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I disagree. It looked like his entire upper body got past the marker. If he had it at his belt, it was a first down.
 
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bamawriter said:
Are you also mad at the officials on the field for blowing the call in the first place? Or is your ire reserved only for the replay official for not following protocol?
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The thing no one knows is when the official ruled him down or forward progress stopped. Both officials ran the the same spot on the field so both seen something that made them mark that spot.

I for one agree it was a bad spot but in life two wrongs do not make it right. The same way 2 years ago when the officials blew and early whistle on the Eric Gordon INT the replay official had indisputable evidence but did not turn it over.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What about the god awful call on Pig Howard's catch?
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That one was much easier to see IMO. It depends on whether or not you deemed the last shifting of the ball as losing control. The ball moved but I think he had it pinned to his chest at the time.

Had it been ruled incomplete I wouldn't have argued given the rules. No different than the spot.
 
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