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#76
#76
We have already caught several top 10 programs, and it is really amazing. Josh Heupel will be considered one of the top 5 coaches in college football within the next few years, and while that will be both a blessing and a curse, we are lucky to have finally gotten it right. And honestly, we owe that to the legacy left by people from Fulmer and Manning all the way back to Neyland and before who made that possible. I make that comparison because a guy like Heupel, with every opportunity that he will have in front of him, might just stay here. We have never in our history worried about a coach leaving for the NFL or another school. Because this is Tennessee. He was not one of us prior to last year, and he had no connection to us. But he came here because we are Tennessee, and he wanted to be a part of it. He is now balls deep a part of it, and I like to think that he will be for long enough to have his name etched forever in the lore of this very special place, and not like you know who.
 
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#77
#77
J C Higgins said:
Fulmer's record was a reflection of the overwhelming player talent advantage from which he benefited, not his coaching ability.
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And which coach took a lesson talented team and won against more talented team? Particularly at Tennessee, before you go conferencewide with your answer.
Not to mention that the only time Tennessee has ever sniffed the top of the rankings in modern time was under Phil Fulmer. CJH is tryna see some of that success that Fulmer did. Recruiting, and on the field. From line coach to offensive coordinator to head coach. Setting UT records all along the way.
 
#78
#78
Butch s said:
Unless you are 70+ years old, Fulmer is the best football coach at the university of Tennessee in your lifetime
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He wasn’t the best, but he’s the most accomplished. He inherited the best situation by far (by Machiavellian means). He also left it in worse shape than he found it.
 
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#79
sjt18 said:
UT was fortunate that Clemson could not finish on O. There is probably some credit to go to UT's D... but there's a ton of blame to go on Clemson's O.

Banks D still couldn't get off the field. They still gave up too many yds and played too many plays.

Some of you seem to think what they did will work consistently. There are still HUGE improvements needed on D. I am still not sure Banks is the right guy. But Heupel has more than earned enough confidence to trust his opinion. But his career will ultimately depend on how he manages the D. We've seen what he can do on O. But he has to CEO the D. It isn't his specialty. He has to have someone he can trust to get the job done.
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11-2. Down goes Pitt, Florida, LSU, Bama, Ky, Clemson all in the same year. Vs Clemson we have 7 TFL, 4 Sacks, & 2 INT's. Then we have an impressive defensive recruiting year, and pull an experiencd ML out of the portal. And your reaction to all of this is to dump on Banks and complain about anything you can find. C-mon, Man!!
 
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sjt18 said:
UT was fortunate that Clemson could not finish on O. There is probably some credit to go to UT's D... but there's a ton of blame to go on Clemson's O.

Banks D still couldn't get off the field. They still gave up too many yds and played too many plays.

Some of you seem to think what they did will work consistently. There are still HUGE improvements needed on D. I am still not sure Banks is the right guy. But Heupel has more than earned enough confidence to trust his opinion. But his career will ultimately depend on how he manages the D. We've seen what he can do on O. But he has to CEO the D. It isn't his specialty. He has to have someone he can trust to get the job done.
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DUMB POST
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
11-2. Down goes Pitt, Florida, LSU, Bama, Ky, Clemson all in the same year. Vs Clemson we have 7 TFL, 4 Sacks, & 2 INT's. Then we have an impressive defensive recruiting year, and pull an experiencd ML out of the portal. And your reaction to all of this is to dump on Banks and complain about anything you can find. C-mon, Man!!
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UT won because Heupel has taken "good" players and created an elite O. At best, Banks has taken good players and created a good but inconsistent D.

I'm not "dumping" on Banks. I would love for him to be the answer. He just hasn't shown brilliance on the defensive side that comes anywhere close to matching Heupel on the offensive side.
 
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#83
VolMack——————$ said:
WRONG….Fulmer was putting together probably the top class when he was let go…..Great Vol fans know more than the coaches ! That’s when Clemson got Taj Boyd and Clemson dynasty came to be….Smart fans and writers !!!
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Dude, Kiffin had to start TWO undersized walk ons (the Sullin twins) on the Oline and an undersized former walk on at linebacker in (Nick Riveiz) in 2009 because of Fulmer's lack of recruiting success late in his career! Im sorry but there was NO excuse for a coach of Fulmer's stature and reputation at a program like ours to be in that kind of roster management situation! That was on Fulmer! I dont know how good Fulmer's last recruiting class would've really been but to be in that kind deficit to begin with was inexcusable!
 
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FollowTheLeader said:
🤣.....no facts.....just the opinion you are entitled to.
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Fact. The D could not get off the field. Fact. Clemson sucked in the scoring zone and missed 15 points on FGs. Fact. Clemson's goal of keeping the ball away from UT's O was met- UT 66 offensive plays, Clemson 101. Fact. The biggest difference in this game and the USCe game is that Clemson couldn't take advantage of getting into UT territory on almost all of their drives.

Fact. This isn't new for Banks. It has been a regular theme for UT's D since he arrived. Teams generally drive on him at will.

I don't like coaching turnover. It is always disruptive. It always impacts the culture and locker room. I'm just not convinced that Banks is the answer at DC. I'm not blaming him for not inheriting talent. But just like I said for Jones, Pruitt, et al... he needs to get the best out of what he has. I haven't seen that yet. There have been good games. But so far THOSE have been the exceptions.
 
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#86
ScornedPapaVol said:
And which coach took a lesson talented team and won against more talented team? Particularly at Tennessee, before you go conferencewide with your answer.
Not to mention that the only time Tennessee has ever sniffed the top of the rankings in modern time was under Phil Fulmer. CJH is tryna see some of that success that Fulmer did. Recruiting, and on the field. From line coach to offensive coordinator to head coach. Setting UT records all along the way.
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With the talent Fulmer recruited he should have had two or more national championships.
Regarding the most talented roster: Not only did we have the better roster in the national championship game, FSU played it with their third string QB. And it was only his 3rd game. Their #1 QB Kendra suffered a season ending knee injury leaving # 2 QB Wenke to take over but he suffered a neck injury against UVA in mid December and didn't play anymore that year. That left #3 QB Outzen to play in the national championship game.

Not taking anything away from our national championship team but those are the facts.
 
#87
#87
Butch s said:
Unless you are 70+ years old, Fulmer is the best football coach at the university of Tennessee in your lifetime
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Let’s revisit this down the road when Heupel has top 5 talent. Heupel would coach circles around Fulmer, especially if given comparable talent.

I don’t have anything against Fulmer at all. He was a great recruiter and a very average game day coach. Heupel is easily the best game day coach Tennessee has had in my lifetime. We finally have the coach that is feared.
 
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sjt18 said:
Fact. The D could not get off the field. Fact. Clemson sucked in the scoring zone and missed 15 points on FGs. Fact. Clemson's goal of keeping the ball away from UT's O was met- UT 66 offensive plays, Clemson 101. Fact. The biggest difference in this game and the USCe game is that Clemson couldn't take advantage of getting into UT territory on almost all of their drives.

Fact. This isn't new for Banks. It has been a regular theme for UT's D since he arrived. Teams generally drive on him at will.

I don't like coaching turnover. It is always disruptive. It always impacts the culture and locker room. I'm just not convinced that Banks is the answer at DC. I'm not blaming him for not inheriting talent. But just like I said for Jones, Pruitt, et al... he needs to get the best out of what he has. I haven't seen that yet. There have been good games. But so far THOSE have been the exceptions.
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But did we win? Yes, it's a fact that the defense couldn't ALWAYS get off the field. Another fact, the offense couldn't stay on the field. But did we win? Your facts come with a big heaping of bias.
 
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sjt18 said:
UT won because Heupel has taken "good" players and created an elite O. At best, Banks has taken good players and created a good but inconsistent D.

I'm not "dumping" on Banks. I would love for him to be the answer. He just hasn't shown brilliance on the defensive side that comes anywhere close to matching Heupel on the offensive side.
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How many DC's are out there who can match Heupel in brilliance? The question is: is he doing a good-enough job? By the metrics that count the most, he is.
 
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#93
FollowTheLeader said:
But did we win? Yes, it's a fact that the defense couldn't ALWAYS get off the field. Another fact, the offense couldn't stay on the field. But did we win? Your facts come with a big heaping of bias.
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Are you that dense? Yes. UT won. And it also lost 2 games. Hopefully the goal is to always say which elements of your program are weak and strengthen them.

No bias other than you don't like them. Maybe you for some reason are pro-Banks. Or maybe you just don't have the honesty and stomach to look at weaknesses honestly.

The SAME flaw kept tripping UT up this year. Sometimes the O compensated. Sometimes it didn't. That flaw leads right back to Banks no matter how you break it down.
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
How many DC's are out there who can match Heupel in brilliance? The question is: is he doing a good-enough job? By the metrics that count the most, he is.
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Nope. By the "metrics that count the most", he's been a liability that the O has usually been able to compensate for. There is a worthwhile argument here over whether it is primarily talent or primarily coaching. I think the best evidence lies with the latter even though no one believes the talent is ideal.

How can you POSSIBLY say he's doing a "good enough job" after USCe? And since when is the standard a "good enough job"? If you want to compete at the top for championships then that simply isn't good enough. I guess if you are satisfied with something less... then the target is "good enough".
 
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Butch s said:
Unless you are 70+ years old, Fulmer is the best football coach at the university of Tennessee in your lifetime
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I'm not... and he's not. All coaches have to be judged in the context of their time and competition. What Heupel did the last two years with what he had to work with is better than anything Fulmer ever did. In fact, Majors took over a weak program and made it a contender. Fulmer was set up and stumbled into a set of coordinators who carried him.
 
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sjt18 said:
Three misses. One failed fake. One failed 4th down try inside of FG range.
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And what happened on that fourth down fake attempt? BANKS DEFENSE STOPPED THE ATTEMPT SHORT OF THE LINE TO GAIN AND GOT OFF THE FIELD WITH ZERO POINTS ALLOWED!!!! That you would count that against Banks instead of in his favor tells us all we need to know about your biases.

Man, why can't you just give this attack on Banks a rest and let the rest of VN enjoy our bowl win and great season for at least a few days? What a killjoy you are.
 
#100
#100
sjt18 said:
Nope. By the "metrics that count the most", he's been a liability that the O has usually been able to compensate for. There is a worthwhile argument here over whether it is primarily talent or primarily coaching. I think the best evidence lies with the latter even though no one believes the talent is ideal.

How can you POSSIBLY say he's doing a "good enough job" after USCe? And since when is the standard a "good enough job"? If you want to compete at the top for championships then that simply isn't good enough. I guess if you are satisfied with something less... then the target is "good enough".
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He was good enough in 11 out of 13 in year two after inheriting a dumpster fire on defense. That isn't just good enough, it's excellent. And it gives him something to build on. It's obvious the weakness of his defense was the secondary. He deserves criticism for how poorly they played at times this season, especially against the cocks. But it was YEAR TWO of a rebuild. Why in the world do you expect more than that from a coach in YEAR TWO of a rebuild???
 
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