Vols recruiting woes of the past

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k-town_king said:
It was his fault. If he wasn't such a bad coach Kiffin's class wouldn't have been so bad. If we hire a better coach Bryce Brown and A Douglass would have stayed and we would have been way better.
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A lot of Kiffin's class should be in jail, if they are not already.And why did Bryce Brown not stay at Kansas State? Dooley wasn't out there too, was he? Douglass had problems, period.
 
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1972 Grad said:
A lot of Kiffin's class should be in jail, if they are not already.And why did Bryce Brown not stay at Kansas State? Dooley wasn't out there too, was he? Douglass had problems, period.
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What are these crimes all of his class committed? And it is well known why he didn't stay at KSU. His heart was in Knoxville but his father talked him into transferring because we hired a no name loser.
 
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k-town_king said:
What are these crimes all of his class committed? And it is well known why he didn't stay at KSU. His heart was in Knoxville but his father talked him into transferring because we hired a no name loser.
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Off the top of my head, and please forgive me because it has been 4 years:

Janzen Jackson: Charged with 3 counts of attempted armed robbery----charges dismissed because he was a 5 star

Nu'Keese Richardson: 3 counts attempted armed robbery----4 or 5 star---dismissed from team

Mike Edwards: 3 counts attempted armed robbery----had Eric Berry and Janzen Jackson---so we let him go

Darren Myles: Struck police officer in face at Bar Knoxville. Offense prior to that one was disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, and public intoxication----cut ties with him because he didn't learn from 1st arrest

Nyshier Oliver: Shoplifting at Dillard's by trying to conceal a polo shirt worth over $100

Eric Gordon: Rumored problems passing repeated drug tests. Of course he may have been dismissed for cutting line in cafeteria. I'm not positive.

Jerod Askew: Kicked off for violation of team rules

Robert Nelson: Suspended indefinitely for violation of team rules

Whether or not these last 2 players committed any crimes would depend on where they were when they were caught doing whatever they were doing.


Please forgive my memory. There are probably others.
 
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Here's an article I saw earlier today..

Sal Sunseri happy at FSU after Tennessee 'wasn't as fun as I thought it would be' | AL.com

Main point is this:

"Going to Tennessee was interesting. You got up there and it wasn't as fun as I thought it would be just because it was going to be a lot of hard work," Sal Sunseri said. "Like anything else, when you go to a place with high expectations, you want to get it done. The people up there treated me extremely well and all that, we just didn't have enough time to get done what we needed to get done."

The Vols went 5-7 with their only SEC win coming against Kentucky. The Tennessee defense ranked 107th nationally after allowing 471 yards a game. Sunseri was not retained after Derek Dooley was fired.

"This is about recruiting. Don't let anybody kid you," Sunseri said. "You go into Tennessee and you could see there wasn't the talent that needed to be there."
 
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1972 Grad said:
Off the top of my head, and please forgive me because it has been 4 years:

Janzen Jackson: Charged with 3 counts of attempted armed robbery----charges dismissed because he was a 5 star

Nu'Keese Richardson: 3 counts attempted armed robbery----4 or 5 star---dismissed from team

Mike Edwards: 3 counts attempted armed robbery----had Eric Berry and Janzen Jackson---so we let him go

Darren Myles: Struck police officer in face at Bar Knoxville. Offense prior to that one was disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, and public intoxication----cut ties with him because he didn't learn from 1st arrest

Nyshier Oliver: Shoplifting at Dillard's by trying to conceal a polo shirt worth over $100

Eric Gordon: Rumored problems passing repeated drug tests. Of course he may have been dismissed for cutting line in cafeteria. I'm not positive.

Jerod Askew: Kicked off for violation of team rules

Robert Nelson: Suspended indefinitely for violation of team rules

Whether or not these last 2 players committed any crimes would depend on where they were when they were caught doing whatever they were doing.


Please forgive my memory. There are probably others.
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Wow just Wow! I just forget how ugly it was.
 
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MrBiggles said:
Here's an article I saw earlier today..

Sal Sunseri happy at FSU after Tennessee 'wasn't as fun as I thought it would be' | AL.com

Main point is this:

"Going to Tennessee was interesting. You got up there and it wasn't as fun as I thought it would be just because it was going to be a lot of hard work," Sal Sunseri said. "Like anything else, when you go to a place with high expectations, you want to get it done. The people up there treated me extremely well and all that, we just didn't have enough time to get done what we needed to get done."

The Vols went 5-7 with their only SEC win coming against Kentucky. The Tennessee defense ranked 107th nationally after allowing 471 yards a game. Sunseri was not retained after Derek Dooley was fired.

"This is about recruiting. Don't let anybody kid you," Sunseri said. "You go into Tennessee and you could see there wasn't the talent that needed to be there."
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just wow...smdh

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Good news is FSU was on the list a few times, and just won it all.


Forgot how highly rated Brandon Warren was.
 
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Ha!!! Got love how the OP posts things about the recruiting classes before Dooley and yet it was still all his fault by The Legion Of the Miserable. F'in losers.
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Oskie Volum said:
Ha!!! Got love how the OP posts things about the recruiting classes before Dooley and yet it was still all his fault by The Legion Of the Miserable. F'in losers.
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Dooley might have more of a defense if he didn't screw up recruiting even more...
 
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governmentmule said:
and if Hart hadn't cut loose Wilcox and company
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Umm I don't really think Hart had anything to do with "cutting them loose" it's more like they saw the writing on the wall of how fast that ship was sinking and they got out while they still had time. And then with the lack of intrest and some comfort with former working relationships they hand the job to ole SUCKsari and well the rest is history. I'm just glad we don't have to deal with Doolittle and his staffs anymore.
 
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MrBiggles said:
Here's an article I saw earlier today..

Sal Sunseri happy at FSU after Tennessee 'wasn't as fun as I thought it would be' | AL.com

Main point is this:

"Going to Tennessee was interesting. You got up there and it wasn't as fun as I thought it would be just because it was going to be a lot of hard work," Sal Sunseri said. "Like anything else, when you go to a place with high expectations, you want to get it done. The people up there treated me extremely well and all that, we just didn't have enough time to get done what we needed to get done."

The Vols went 5-7 with their only SEC win coming against Kentucky. The Tennessee defense ranked 107th nationally after allowing 471 yards a game. Sunseri was not retained after Derek Dooley was fired.

"This is about recruiting. Don't let anybody kid you," Sunseri said. "You go into Tennessee and you could see there wasn't the talent that needed to be there."
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At least he was honest and didn't take the opportunity to take a shot at the program. He's a good position coach, just not a good coordinator. Plus he had maybe one or two guys that actually worked at learning his defense.
 
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Reading the OP about all of those recruits that were kicked off earlier teams gives me hope for this class. With all of the legacies and their friends, it's hard to imagine much in the way of off-the-field antics costing us talent or causing us embarrassment. Butch has said that character is the first thing he looks for. That is a much more important factor than most suppose.
 
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FiremedicVOL127 said:
Umm I don't really think Hart had anything to do with "cutting them loose" it's more like they saw the writing on the wall of how fast that ship was sinking and they got out while they still had time. And then with the lack of intrest and some comfort with former working relationships they hand the job to ole SUCKsari and well the rest is history. I'm just glad we don't have to deal with Doolittle and his staffs anymore.
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He was jumping off a sinking ship? Hart didn't seal him up? He wanted to go back to his roots? It's funny how people throw out stuff and no one knows which is the actual reason. Whichever fits ur personal belief about Dooley's era is used. That's pretty much what I've been able to tell about this place.

Was Sal dooleys 1st choice or was it Hart's??? I'm sure you'll say it's Dooley's first choice without a doubt cause that fits ur thoughts on dooley. Of course cause u r someone that could have done soooo much better right??
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TVA said:
Reading the OP about all of those recruits that were kicked off earlier teams gives me hope for this class. With all of the legacies and their friends, it's hard to imagine much in the way of off-the-field antics costing us talent or causing us embarrassment. Butch has said that character is the first thing he looks for. That is a much more important factor than most suppose.
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The not having to worry about having character players didn't start with the legacies and and them. Dooley gets bashed for his recruiting but people tend to forget that he left a team full of players that CBJ doesn't have to worry about each night when he closes his eyes for some sleep. Something Dooley didn't have the luxury of when he first got here or during the majority of his era.

I know CBJ has had it soooo much worse to so many, but this is a factor people tend to overlook.

(This isn't to u TVA cause I know u and I have many similar takes on the dooley era. Just a comment. And sorry for putting u in the dooley haters crosshairs. Ha!!)
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orangeluvr said:
Don't forget surfer douche ran a bunch of players off on top of telling Taj Boyd he didn't fit. :loco: :crazy: Plus a good portion of his top recruiting class didn't pan out. :question:
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Yeah, there has been some revisionism at times for the 2007 class. People point to how it didn't work out and show that as evidence that Fulmer, although bringing in a highly rated class (Rivals no. 2 in the country), had included a bunch of busts and should have known better.

But that ignores the obvious fact that changing head coaches TWICE in two years will attrit a class fast...REAL FAST, particularly when, as you point out, Kiffin went out of his way to run off a bunch from that class.
 
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Somebody get me TVA's personal dossier...and make a pot of coffee. :compute:
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Oskie Volum said:
The not having to worry about having character players didn't start with the legacies and and them. Dooley gets bashed for his recruiting but people tend to forget that he left a team full of players that CBJ doesn't have to worry about each night when he closes his eyes for some sleep. Something Dooley didn't have the luxury of when he first got here or during the majority of his era.

I know CBJ has had it soooo much worse to so many, but this is a factor people tend to overlook.

(This isn't to u TVA cause I know u and I have many similar takes on the dooley era. Just a comment. And sorry for putting u in the dooley haters crosshairs. Ha!!)
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My comment was sparked by the OP's reference to one class in particular that had a total meltdown. I was simply contrasting that to CBJ's criterion and feel that the legacies in particular have very strong reasons not to be an embarrassment to their antecedents, the team, the school the fans or themselves. Since I became a Vol fan back in the '40s there have been players that tested my pride in the Vols. It is a pleasant prospect to look forward to having a team that will add to that pride by their performance both on and off the field.
 
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