Vols Should Host!!

#51
#51
tn4elvis said:
The dominant win osu has over Indiana should not weigh that high . Indiana has beaten absolutely no one with a pulse.
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Well, unlike OSU, they beat Michigan.

And if they host above us, and we got lucky enough to draw them, we would destroy them anyway.

But relax, I think they will be below us anyway.
 
#52
#52
BanditVol said:
Well, unlike OSU, they beat Michigan.

And if they host above us, and we got lucky enough to draw them, we would destroy them anyway.

But relax, I think they will be below us anyway.
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I sure hope so. We deserve to host a playoff game. Neyland at night would be an insane experience for a playoff game.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Unlikely that you understand how it works either, not saying that to be a douche. Reason I say that is I don’t think the committee themselves understand the criteria they’re going to use yet. Notre Dame will likely be the five unless Oregon loses then they would take the five seed. Georgia I have no damn idea where they would rank if they lose with a third loss. Penn state I think probably is no worse than 6th or 7th unless they just get embarrassed. Mostly I agree with you on the slotting but we don’t know what criteria they will use.
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You are correct.. Vols will likely be 5 or 6 after conf championships. Because Oregon/Penn Texas UGA means at least one of those teams drops behind us. If Oregon wins Penn State we most likely move up a slot depending on how far penn state drops. UGA loses to Texas same thing. If UGA and Penn State both win its a bit more sketchy.. we could move past Texas because of the boost to SoR/SoS we'd get from UGA winning. But Oregon wouldn't drop below us with an L. so best for us is Oregon and Texas winning. It will come down to where we end up in this weeks rankings. If we move up to 6 in the CFP poll we are set to host a game. Also if some weird team gets that last slot in conference championships...

The ACC cluster is gonna make things weird. Big 12 is weird also. Both the conference champs from those 2 are likely to be ranked behind UT SO its possible 2 of the 4 bye teams will have lower rankings than UT meaning to get a home game the number goes from 8 to 6 so 6 is where we need to be. Lets say UNLV, Clemson, Iowa State and Army win their conferences. That would mean the hosting teams would be whoever is ranked 3, 4, 5 and 6 host home games because none of those teams would even end up in the top 8 with a win and 2 of those 4 are getting bye's. So we want 3 of Boise, AZ State and SMU to win whoever wins the other 2 conferences is gonna be a hot mess anyway.. If AZ State, Boise and SMU win the winner of AAC wont matter. those guys winning would mean that teams 8th or above ranked would be safe to host as SMU and Boise would move into the top 8. The maths on this gets crazy and that's before they even get to looking at opponents and such.
 
#56
#56
76volman said:
After the championship games, Vols should go up to #5 in AP and in playoff picture. So would that be 5 vs 12 in playoff picture? If that is the case, VOLS would have the easiest path, IMO to making it deep in the playoffs, barring injuries and terrible offensive play.
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You do realize it doesn't work that way right? A team ranked LOWER than us is GOING to be a top 4 seed because of a conference bye. And ND is GOING to be the 5 seed. So there is NO WAY we are going to be a 5 seed at ALL.
 
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modernVol said:
I want a home playoff game in Neyland more than anyone, but I'm pretty bearish......

Ohio has a road win over #4 and a dominant win over #11. Our best win is over #13.

Yes the optics of Ohio losing to michigan at home is very bad, but everyone has a bad loss, ourselves included. I think there's a lot of emotional reaction to punish Ohio in the rankings for that loss, but as a few days pass and you really look at the resumes on paper, their resume is better than ours (yes, I do think B1G is overrated and PSU and Indiana are not as good as their actual rankings, but it is what it is).

Hope I'm wrong, and hope the committee puts emphasis on the recency of their Michigan loss
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Had we lost to Arky at HOME, I would agree with you. But a SEC road game at night is a different animal
 
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#59
pimo1 said:
You are correct.. Vols will likely be 5 or 6 after conf championships. Because Oregon/Penn Texas UGA means at least one of those teams drops behind us. If Oregon wins Penn State we most likely move up a slot depending on how far penn state drops. UGA loses to Texas same thing. If UGA and Penn State both win its a bit more sketchy.. we could move past Texas because of the boost to SoR/SoS we'd get from UGA winning. But Oregon wouldn't drop below us with an L. so best for us is Oregon and Texas winning. It will come down to where we end up in this weeks rankings. If we move up to 6 in the CFP poll we are set to host a game. Also if some weird team gets that last slot in conference championships...

The ACC cluster is gonna make things weird. Big 12 is weird also. Both the conference champs from those 2 are likely to be ranked behind UT SO its possible 2 of the 4 bye teams will have lower rankings than UT meaning to get a home game the number goes from 8 to 6 so 6 is where we need to be. Lets say UNLV, Clemson, Iowa State and Army win their conferences. That would mean the hosting teams would be whoever is ranked 3, 4, 5 and 6 host home games because none of those teams would even end up in the top 8 with a win and 2 of those 4 are getting bye's. So we want 3 of Boise, AZ State and SMU to win whoever wins the other 2 conferences is gonna be a hot mess anyway.. If AZ State, Boise and SMU win the winner of AAC wont matter. those guys winning would mean that teams 8th or above ranked would be safe to host as SMU and Boise would move into the top 8. The maths on this gets crazy and that's before they even get to looking at opponents and such.
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WE ARE NOT JUMPING OVER NOTRE DAME!!!!!! #5 IS OUT OF THE QUESTION!!!!!
 
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volfanstuckinga said:
WE ARE NOT JUMPING OVER NOTRE DAME!!!!!! #5 IS OUT OF THE QUESTION!!!!!
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we dont have to jump ND. We just have to jump UGA, PSU and Miami... the Miami part is done.

1 Oregon
2 Texas
3 ND
4 OSU, Penn, UGA Maybe SMU?
5 UT

Miami will drop below UT this tuesday, period. OSU might. UGA will probably stay ahead but their close win might put us ahead of them. They lose to Texas they definitely drop back. PSU would also likely drop behind us with a loss this week. UT will likely be ranked number 7 tomorrow with 2 teams in front of them guaranteed losses this Saturday.

the main factors in play are

How much does a win vs Clemson boost SMU? If Clemson beats them its a moot point.
Does Texas beat UGA?
How far does PSU drop with an Oregon loss?

If Texas Oregon and SMU all win we are boned and stuck at 7. But we are likely worst case 7 best case 5 in the final poll.... this week we are likely 6. Note everything I have been referring to in this thread is the final poll numbers because that's the one that matters.
 
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pimo1 said:
we dont have to jump ND. We just have to jump UGA, PSU and Miami... the Miami part is done.

1 Oregon
2 Texas
3 ND
4 OSU, Penn, UGA Maybe SMU?
5 UT

Miami will drop below UT this tuesday, period. OSU might. UGA will probably stay ahead but their close win might put us ahead of them. They lose to Texas they definitely drop back. PSU would also likely drop behind us with a loss this week. UT will likely be ranked number 7 tomorrow with 2 teams in front of them guaranteed losses this Saturday.

the main factors in play are

How much does a win vs Clemson boost SMU? If Clemson beats them its a moot point.
Does Texas beat UGA?
How far does PSU drop with an Oregon loss?

If Texas Oregon and SMU all win we are boned and stuck at 7. But we are likely worst case 7 best case 5 in the final poll.... this week we are likely 6. Note everything I have been referring to in this thread is the final poll numbers because that's the one that matters.
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You really don't understand how this works do you? Notre Dame can NOT GET A TOP 4 SEED! That is reserved ONLY FOR CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS. Therefore....>Notre Dame WILL BE THE 5 SEED!!!!!
 
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pimo1 said:
we dont have to jump ND. We just have to jump UGA, PSU and Miami... the Miami part is done.

1 Oregon
2 Texas
3 ND
4 OSU, Penn, UGA Maybe SMU?
5 UT

Miami will drop below UT this tuesday, period. OSU might. UGA will probably stay ahead but their close win might put us ahead of them. They lose to Texas they definitely drop back. PSU would also likely drop behind us with a loss this week. UT will likely be ranked number 7 tomorrow with 2 teams in front of them guaranteed losses this Saturday.

the main factors in play are

How much does a win vs Clemson boost SMU? If Clemson beats them its a moot point.
Does Texas beat UGA?
How far does PSU drop with an Oregon loss?

If Texas Oregon and SMU all win we are boned and stuck at 7. But we are likely worst case 7 best case 5 in the final poll.... this week we are likely 6. Note everything I have been referring to in this thread is the final poll numbers because that's the one that matters.
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Top 4 seeds are as follows.....in some order......Big 10, SEC, ACC/Big 12/G5. 4 of those 5 are the top 4. Period. End of story. That's how it is set up. #5 will be Notre Dame.....I can pretty much guarantee that.
 
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volfanstuckinga said:
You do realize it doesn't work that way right? A team ranked LOWER than us is GOING to be a top 4 seed because of a conference bye. And ND is GOING to be the 5 seed. So there is NO WAY we are going to be a 5 seed at ALL.
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Correct - if Texas and Oregon win their games (and that’s what I think will happen), the best we can do is move up to 6.
 
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#67
Why cant some of you just admit that Ohio State has a better resume than us? It might not feel like it but we played and FCS school and lost to Arkansas. It is what it is. Sack up and just beat anyone and anywhere.
 
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#68
VolNavy75 said:
Why cant some of you just admit that Ohio State has a better resume than us? It might not feel like it but we played and FCS school and lost to Arkansas. It is what it is. Sack up and just beat anyone and anywhere.
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Depends upon how one views the B1G verses the SEC.

Ohio State lost AT HOME with everything on the line to an UNRANKED team they should have easily beaten.

Tennessee on the other hand with everything on the line beat the unranked team they played.

In past years that is what mattered.

All other teams that lost to UNRANKED teams dropped significantly regardless of past wins, from 6 to 8 spots or more. OSU should suffer the same fate that Bama, Georgia, BYU, et al suffered when they lost.
 
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#70
TennesseeTarheel said:
It a contest about the best team. Not the best audience.
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Yet, every other football playoff does it that way. In this case, it's not really about the best team, it's about Disney making as much money as possible. They obviously don't care about fan attendance at the bowl games, they only care about TV ratings. Except with the expanded playoff, all the money they've spent on acquiring the TV rights for so many bowls would be for naught if they allowed more home games.

I submit that it should be about the fans and not about Disney's bottom line.
 
#71
#71
VolNavy75 said:
Why cant some of you just admit that Ohio State has a better resume than us? It might not feel like it but we played and FCS school and lost to Arkansas. It is what it is. Sack up and just beat anyone and anywhere.
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Correct.

Ohio has a better resume than us. We can still hope the committee puts a lot more weight on the recency of the michigan loss and the fact it was at home, but we don't "deserve" to host, and we aren't going to get "screwed" if they put Ohio ahead of us. They have the better wins.
 
#72
#72
volfanstuckinga said:
You really don't understand how this works do you? Notre Dame can NOT GET A TOP 4 SEED! That is reserved ONLY FOR CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS. Therefore....>Notre Dame WILL BE THE 5 SEED!!!!!
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Rank not seed rankings and seeding are not the same. There is a chance that the team that gets the 4th seed is not even in the top 12. For instance, if Clemson wins the ACC.

Byes are conference champs no matter the rankings
volfanstuckinga said:
Top 4 seeds are as follows.....in some order......Big 10, SEC, ACC/Big 12/G5. 4 of those 5 are the top 4. Period. End of story. That's how it is set up. #5 will be Notre Dame.....I can pretty much guarantee that.
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Correct the 4 highest rank of those 5 conference champs.. but those teams may or may not be in the top 12. After those are set RANKINGS matter. ND will likely be ranked 4th no matter what but they will get the 5th seed. UT depending on how things turn out will be ranked anywhere from 5-7 most likely 6. Any of the conference champs ranked under 12 bumps one team in the top12 out of the playoffs. Teams that could end up in that situation include Army, Clemson and UNLV possibly the big12 champs will be out of the top 8 also.
 
#73
#73
VolNavy75 said:
Why cant some of you just admit that Ohio State has a better resume than us? It might not feel like it but we played and FCS school and lost to Arkansas. It is what it is. Sack up and just beat anyone and anywhere.
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Then why does both the coaches and AP poll rank us ahead of Ohio State?
 
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volfanstuckinga said:
You do realize it doesn't work that way right? A team ranked LOWER than us is GOING to be a top 4 seed because of a conference bye. And ND is GOING to be the 5 seed. So there is NO WAY we are going to be a 5 seed at ALL.
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Sure thing if Georgia wins, but since GA is ranked lower than us and if they lose you still think they would be ranked lower (higher) than the VOLS? I don't think so. 5 would be a stretch sure.
 
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