Vols unranked in first coaches poll

#77
#77
UT IE 95 said:
He took a downgrade.
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O'Neill left UT because there were some personal problems he was having specifically going through a divorce as I recall related to some other extra things (personally) and needed out of Knoxville. So he bolted for Northwestern but truthfully probably didn't want to.
 
#78
#78
rocky200663 said:
O'Neill left UT because there were some personal problems he was having specifically going through a divorce as I recall related to some other extra things (personally) and needed out of Knoxville. So he bolted for Northwestern but truthfully probably didn't want to.
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He recently said him and Dickey didn't get along
 
#79
#79
zjcvols said:
He recently said him and Dickey didn't get along
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Well he and Dickey didn't get along great which was a factor in his leaving but his personal issues at that time which were wild really had him fleeing. And you know he probably would have been reprimanded (privately) by Dickey anyway for his "Infidelities:" So he wanted to avoid all of that. So he took a downgrade.
 
#81
#81
ranradVOL said:
Such a troll it's pathetic. Just the term "Martin lovers" shows you don't like him for unknown reasons.

I'll bet you hated Wade too. Jmo.
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Relax.
It's a game and these guys are easy.
Helps him sleep at night with a smile on his face.
 
#82
#82
zjcvols said:
He recently said him and Dickey didn't get along
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O'Neill wanted Isiah Victor to be admitted to school (didn't have the best grades) and Dickey didn't allow it so Victor was going to have to sit out a year. He could've probably passed him through, but he stuck to his guns and that really pissed O'Neill off. That was the final straw and then he bolted.
 
#85
#85
zjcvols said:
That wasn't the question.
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In the context of the thread it was, obviously, since the discussion was on UT being a destination or stepping stone. Since good ole Kev left for a downgrade, I wouldn't consider that being a ringing endorsement that UT is a stepping stone job.
 
#86
#86
UT IE 95 said:
In the context of the thread it was, obviously, since the discussion was on UT being a destination or stepping stone. Since good ole Kev left for a downgrade, I wouldn't consider that being a ringing endorsement that UT is a stepping stone job.
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Once again, can you name me a coach who was legitimately offered by a big time program?
 
#88
#88
bleedingTNorange said:
Once again, can you name me a coach who was legitimately offered by a big time program?
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I guess not - no idea about "legitimately". There may have been some offers to move that were fleshed out behind the scenes (BP had rumors of Iowa and Arizona). Typically "big time" programs, including UT, keep searches under wraps. Anything else, including your assertions that UT was turned down by all those people in the last search, are nothing but internet rumors.

So this supports that UT is a destination job since no one gets recruited away - it that your point?
 
#89
#89
UT IE 95 said:
I guess not - no idea about "legitimately". There may have been some offers to move that were fleshed out behind the scenes (BP had rumors of Iowa and Arizona). Typically "big time" programs, including UT, keep searches under wraps. Anything else, including your assertions that UT was turned down by all those people in the last search, are nothing but internet rumors.

So this supports that UT is a destination job since no one gets recruited away - it that your point?
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Quite the contrary. It supports the point that UT's basketball program has never done well enough for our coaches to garner attention from BIGGER and BETTER programs (Iowa and Arizona, are you kidding me? Lateral moves).

A school that has been to the Elite 8 once in over 100 years is NOT a destination job. Coaches don't kill it at UNC, Duke, Mich. State, KU, etc. in hopes that they will be hired by UT in the future. Get a clue.
 
#90
#90
ranradVOL said:
Such a troll it's pathetic. Just the term "Martin lovers" shows you don't like him for unknown reasons.

I'll bet you hated Wade too. Jmo.
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I don't like him for known reasons. I've posted those reason's ad nauseam in multiple threads.

In summary, UT needs a proven coach. Last season there were coaching blunders that you expect from a guy with no experience. You can expect to see those as Martin matures as a coach. He may be a great tactician with more experience. I'm just disappointed that UT is a school that has a guy cutting his teeth and learning to be a head coach in the SEC.
 
#91
#91
Escape Goat said:
Kinda upset with that. He proved he can coach, and recruit. CCM will prove them wrong within a week of the start of the season. Jmo.
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Upset? We were unranked at the end of last season and have close to the same team back.....As for recruiting it looks like his next class will be highly rated but the one for this season was not highly rated at all.....I think coach Martin will get us there this yr but he still has to prove it on the court.
 
#92
#92
Chris4Vols22 said:
Quite the contrary. It supports the point that UT's basketball program has never done well enough for our coaches to garner attention from BIGGER and BETTER programs (Iowa and Arizona, are you kidding me? Lateral moves).

A school that has been to the Elite 8 once in over 100 years is NOT a destination job. Coaches don't kill it at UNC, Duke, Mich. State, KU, etc. in hopes that they will be hired by UT in the future. Get a clue.
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If only there were a coach that went from KU to UNC....

I'm saying UT should be a destination job with the support, league, fan base, etc. And there is no eveidence of coaches using UT as a stepping stone.

Cool your jets pal. No need in ruining a good discussion of differing opinions with the "get a clue" comments.
 
#93
#93
UT IE 95 said:
I don't like him for known reasons. I've posted those reason's ad nauseam in multiple threads.

In summary, UT needs a proven coach. Last season there were coaching blunders that you expect from a guy with no experience. You can expect to see those as Martin matures as a coach. He may be a great tactician with more experience. I'm just disappointed that UT is a school that has a guy cutting his teeth and learning to be a head coach in the SEC.
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Getting 2nd in the SEC is one helluva "blunder" to get through. Heaven forbid someone have a learning curve.
 
#94
#94
UT IE 95 said:
I guess not - no idea about "legitimately". There may have been some offers to move that were fleshed out behind the scenes (BP had rumors of Iowa and Arizona). Typically "big time" programs, including UT, keep searches under wraps. Anything else, including your assertions that UT was turned down by all those people in the last search, are nothing but internet rumors.

So this supports that UT is a destination job since no one gets recruited away - it that your point?
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You guess not, ok thank you that's all that was needed.

And no, wright iirc said he wasn't interested, same for Lawrence.

And that's why I said legitimate, pearl wasn't gonna be brought on by anyone "big"...Iowa is not a step up job, thatd be stepping down....pearl was good at acting like he drew interest to garner a raise, did it multiple times.
 
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#95
#95
UT IE 95 said:
I don't like him for known reasons. I've posted those reason's ad nauseam in multiple threads.

In summary, UT needs a proven coach. Last season there were coaching blunders that you expect from a guy with no experience. You can expect to see those as Martin matures as a coach. He may be a great tactician with more experience. I'm just disappointed that UT is a school that has a guy cutting his teeth and learning to be a head coach in the SEC.
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That's completely different than not liking Martin and thinking he's already a failure and want him fired.
 
#96
#96
UT IE 95 said:
If only there were a coach that went from KU to UNC....

I'm saying UT should be a destination job with the support, league, fan base, etc. And there is no eveidence of coaches using UT as a stepping stone.

Cool your jets pal. No need in ruining a good discussion of differing opinions with the "get a clue" comments.
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Not like he went from the #5 job to the #1 job that was his alma mater or anything. Kind of negates the point.
 
#97
#97
VolThis said:
Getting 2nd in the SEC is one helluva "blunder" to get through. Heaven forbid someone have a learning curve.
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Do they pass out rings for 2nd in the SEC? What does it say about a team that finishes second in the SEC but doesn't get a tourney bid?
 
#98
#98
UT IE 95 said:
If only there were a coach that went from KU to UNC....

I'm saying UT should be a destination job with the support, league, fan base, etc. And there is no eveidence of coaches using UT as a stepping stone.

Cool your jets pal. No need in ruining a good discussion of differing opinions with the "get a clue" comments.
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You can say we should be a destination job all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that we're not.

You need a clue really really bad, and it seems like you don't even know it. Trying to help you out.
 
#99
#99
bleedingTNorange said:
You guess not, ok thank you that's all that was needed.

And no, wright iirc said he wasn't interested, same for Lawrence.

And that's why I said legitimate, pearl wasn't gonna be brought on by anyone "big"...Iowa is not a step up job, thatd be stepping down....pearl was good at acting like he drew interest to garner a raise, did it multiple times.
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Ok, that's all that was needed from you too then. You were posting that UT was turned down by "wright, Marshall, Dixon, Lawrence". Now, you're not real sure about how "legitimate" that was. I guess that's "not what you meant" again, right?
 
#100
#100
Chris4Vols22 said:
You can say we should be a destination job all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that we're not.

You need a clue really really bad, and it seems like you don't even know it. Trying to help you out.
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Thanks for the help, but I'm doing just fine.
 
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