Vols unranked in first coaches poll

#101
#101
UT IE 95 said:
Do they pass out rings for 2nd in the SEC? What does it say about a team that finishes second in the SEC but doesn't get a tourney bid?
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No they don't, but he took a team that many people believed wouldn't do anything with their season and made them respectable to most people, not including yourself.

You'd fit right in over on the football board.
 
#102
#102
VolThis said:
No they don't, but he took a team that many people believed wouldn't do anything with their season and made them respectable to most people, not including yourself.

You'd fit right in over on the football board.
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There were two people that thought we had enough talent to win 20 games before the season started. basketballvol and I predicted 20 wins. We started 5 4*s to begin the season, if memory serves me correct that was the first time
we had that many 4 and up starters.
 
#103
#103
VolThis said:
No they don't, but he took a team that many people believed wouldn't do anything with their season and made them respectable to most people, not including yourself.

You'd fit right in over on the football board.
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So you're basing last season's success on "what many people believed they would do with their season" before it started.

That was the point of the first post I made in this thread.
 
#106
#106
UT IE 95 said:
Ok, that's all that was needed from you too then. You were posting that UT was turned down by "wright, Marshall, Dixon, Lawrence". Now, you're not real sure about how "legitimate" that was. I guess that's "not what you meant" again, right?
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You wanted public denial, Lawrence and wright both were public with their turning down UT.

Can you give me some UT coaches who attracted big time programs publicly....I highly doubt it because it hasn't happened.
 
#107
#107
bleedingTNorange said:
You guess not, ok thank you that's all that was needed.

And no, wright iirc said he wasn't interested, same for Lawrence.

And that's why I said legitimate, pearl wasn't gonna be brought on by anyone "big"...Iowa is not a step up job, thatd be stepping down....pearl was good at acting like he drew interest to garner a raise, did it multiple times.
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bleedingTNorange said:
You wanted public denial, Lawrence and wright both were public with their turning down UT.
Can you give me some UT coaches who attracted big time programs publicly....I highly doubt it because it hasn't happened.
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Difference?
 
#108
#108
UT IE 95 said:
Difference?
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Uhm Martin acted like he had interest from programs like Memphis and Iowa, when he really didn't, to get a raise.

Wright and Lawrence said no to UT because they weren't interested.

The point was, you tried to make it sound like UT is a destination job, and it's not. Guys at Villanova and mid majors were turning down UT to remain at their schools. If its a destination job you don't do that...you then said how come nobody has left for a better job if it's not a destination job...the answer is because no coach has attracted attention from a big time school.

So you were wrong on both fronts...coaches aren't leaving decent basketball schools for Tennessee, and you tried to say Tennessee is a destination job. If they can't pull guys from Nova or Wichita State, or assistant jobs, what makes you think Izzo from Michigan State would come here. Then you say that it's a destination job because nobody has left here for a step up job...that's because nobody has been offered one.
 
#111
#111
bleedingTNorange said:
You wanted public denial, Lawrence and wright both were public with their turning down UT.

Can you give me some UT coaches who attracted big time programs publicly....I highly doubt it because it hasn't happened.
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Making public denials is usually to make their team and recruits feel all warm and fuzzy to shutdown rumors...... It doesn't necessarily mean they were offered or even that they would really turn down the job as we have seen from several coaches beforehand.
 
#112
#112
volbeast33 said:
Making public denials is usually to make their team and recruits feel all warm and fuzzy to shutdown rumors...... It doesn't necessarily mean they were offered or even that they would really turn down the job as we have seen from several coaches beforehand.
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Ditto
 
#113
#113
volbeast33 said:
Making public denials is usually to make their team and recruits feel all warm and fuzzy to shutdown rumors...... It doesn't necessarily mean they were offered or even that they would really turn down the job as we have seen from several coaches beforehand.
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Lawrence and Wright were both offered or atleast contacted...iirc I thought it was also confirmed that Dixon was as well.

Can you tell me some coaches UT has had that have received offers from big time programs?
 
#114
#114
bleedingTNorange said:
Lawrence and Wright were both offered or atleast contacted...iirc I thought it was also confirmed that Dixon was as well.

Can you tell me some coaches UT has had that have received offers from big time programs?
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Sorry I didn't mean to join that argument...was just saying that a public rejection doesn't prove anything bc coaches lie about that all the time about that.....I really don't know who reached out....its impossible to tell who we really reached out too and who was just media induced rumor.

That being said I like the idea of hiring a smaller name if he is the right coach bc then his name will become associated with Tenn basketball forever if he stays.....coach k....bobby knight....and almost all coaches were up and comers at one time.
 
#116
#116
bleedingTNorange said:
I'm really missing your point...you're saying Tennessee is a destination job because Pearl acted like he had interest from Iowa to get a raise?
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For some reason you are posting that Martin is getting offers from Iowa and Memphis to get a raise. Flat out crazy talk.
 
#119
#119
IE keeps acting like UT has been a destination job like a UCLA, UNC, Ky, Indiana or Kansas. That's laughable. UT has never been a job like that. Hell, the entire SEC except for Ky was nothing but a glorified intramural/club ball league until AD's started figuring out that you could make money on the sport. For decades, hoops in the SEC was Ky and everyone else. Kind of like it still is now except other SEC teams do make Final 4's and Fla has won the title.

To act like UT could've gotten someone like Izzo or the like last year is laughable at best and asinine at the worst. Even if UT was in a great spot with recruits and had a huge surplus of funds, it would be nearly impossible to get a coach like Izzo. That's not to say that UT can't get a proven coach, but Izzo wasn't/isn't going to leave Mich St for UT. When the UT job was open last year, there was too much uncertainty with the roster and the NCAA cloud to get a proven coach. Why that is so hard for you to understand is beyond me. You seem dense.

Good thing you didn't tell Fla that they shouldn't hire Donovan. He was just a piddling coach that came from Marshall that was having to cut his teeth in the SEC. Fla took a chance on a coach that had 2 whole years of coaching experience. 12 NCAA tournament invites, multiple conference championships, multiple conference tourney championships and 2 national titles later, it wasn't that bad of a hire.
 
#121
#121
Doesn't matter, rankings in college bbAll are basically worthless. What matters is making the tournament then prove yourself.
 
#125
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bwings said:
Yeah, right....well Memphis. Similar to your last game when it was thrown? Oh, I see where Missouri is in the AP Coaches Poll.......right under Memphis. Where is Missouri in recruiting for '13? I see UT and Memphis...don't see ya'll.
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Look again. We are right about where we should be with respect to rankings. We have top 10 talent, it's the fact that they're playing together for the first time.
 
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