Voting for Obama

[etmVol]

Anyone want to convince me otherwise?

Scary that you know my age. Of course, I really don't know much about politics. Most people my age don't. But, I feel like from what I've read,heard,seen that Obama is who I'd rather vote for . I support his stance on supporting the expansion of the pell grant loans, also his stance on gay marriage. I guess I support his social stances mainly. I also was turned off by what Romney said about the 47%.

I applaud you for coming on VN asking for advice since you do not know much. Hopefully, you will be able to sort through all the advice given, do your research, and make an informed decision. If you cannot do those things, abstain from voting this go around until you can make a more informed decision.

Don't let anyone on here tell you who or not to vote for or to stay home and not vote.

Let Google be your friend, do some research on the candidates.

Go to the candidates websites and read where they say they stand on the issues.

Take a good look at their records. Neither candidate is being 100% truthful. Their record shows who they really are, imo.

make sure you watch the debates, the first one is next Wednesday.

Get as informed as you possible can and vote for the candidate you think will be the best leader of this nation.

Also keep in mind the House of Representives and Senate.

OP - Gramps make some very good points. You must look at a candidate's records, because the ads and speeches are just empty rhetoric.

You seem to be a bit liberal socially while a little more on the conservative side of the table financially. Rather than picking between the two most popular evils (and selecting a candidate who matches very little of your beliefs), I urge you to do some research on Gary Johnson (Libertarian candidate). He has done 2 very informative AMAs on reddit, and will do another soon (Wednesday I think). His records are far more impressive than President Obama or Governor Romney.

 

[Sheezy]

So you would support the plan to redistribute grades so everyone has a 2.5? That means if you are getting 3.5s or 4.0s some of your points would go to some of your lower performing classmates in order to even things out.

lol, what? when did he say this? That seems a little weird. Are we talking high school or college? And I really don't understand that.

 

[Sheezy]

I applaud you for coming on VN asking for advice since you do not know much. Hopefully, you will be able to sort through all the advice given, do your research, and make an informed decision. If you cannot do those things, abstain from voting this go around until you can make a more informed decision.



OP - Gramps make some very good points. You must look at a candidate's records, because the ads and speeches are just empty rhetoric.

You seem to be a bit liberal socially while a little more on the conservative side of the table financially. Rather than picking between the two most popular evils (and selecting a candidate who matches very little of your beliefs), I urge you to do some research on Gary Johnson (Libertarian candidate). He has done 2 very informative AMAs on reddit, and will do another soon (Wednesday I think). His records are far more impressive than President Obama or Senator Romney.

Yeah i'm more liberal with social issues and more conservative with economic issues. I'll research Gary Johnson.

Thanks.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

did anyone trying to make these arguments believe for a second that the OP was remotely interested in being objective about this?

It doesn't appear that he's quite as moderate as Vol Main and Gibbs.

This. All day long.

You all should have ignored him. My guess he isn't even going to actually vote at all.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

lol, what? when did he say this? That seems a little weird. Are we talking high school or college? And I really don't understand that.

Obviously.

 

[etmVol]

Yeah i'm more liberal with social issues and more conservative with economic issues. I'll research Gary Johnson.

Thanks.

:good!:

 

[Danl]

SNIP... His records are far more impressive than President Obama or Senator Romney.

Who is this Senator Romney fellow?

 

[Cartervol]

Romney would reduce taxes on the wealthiest and increase them on the middle class. That is the exact opposite of what should be done.

Show us some facts on this... Otherwise you're just blowing smoke....

 

[YorkVol]

lol, what? when did he say this? That seems a little weird. Are we talking high school or college? And I really don't understand that.

Well, you are in college, right? So it would apply to college. If you get good grades, great! But, don't be surprised when some of your grades are redistributed to those who are less fortunate than you.


Ok, look, this is a metaphor for money if you don't understand. Redistribution is the act of taking what you earn and distributing a portion out toward those who haven't earned as much. It is a main tenet of the Democratic platform, they just couch it in terms like "tax the rich more."

 

[azVolFan]

child, i don't have a teacher. In case you can't figure it out, that means that i took my degree a long time ago. You are on filter as of now, so your jibber jabber won't appear on my screen again.

lol

 

[etmVol]

Who is this Senator Romney fellow?

Whoops - governor, lol. Good thing brain farts don't smell like the real thing, that one would have been pretty bad, hahaha.

 

[gsvol]

I'm in college now and it blows my mind the reasons people vote for Obama. The only people who vote for Romney are in the school of business (mainly economics), funny how that works out. I am dead serious when I say this, when people my age run this country we are doomed.

You know, our constitution says that a candidate must be at least 35 to be eligible to be president, I wish the founding fathers would have written that one must be at least 35 to be able to vote for a presidential candidate.

This would be a far better country if they had imo.

At least we would be in the present danger in which we live.

Reelecting Obama would be a disaster.

yet Obama is going to (already has) raise taxes on both sides. If you're just picking between 2 it seems a pretty easy choice IMO

Wayne Allen Root, who was the 2008 libertarian candidate, has come out in full sopport of Romney.

His idea is that he still clings to his libertarian way of thinking but thei election is far too important to allow BHO another term in office.

...and you just accused me of talking like an idiot freshman. Can you not see that's how you're talking?

Sometimes it is best to be blunt and just call a spade a spade.

Obama is waiting til his second term to force all conservatives into re-education camps.



...we can all make stuff up.

Actually Obama's butthole buddy, Bill Ayers, said to an undercover FBI man that after the revolution about 25 million Americans would have to be 'ELIMINATED' because they couldn't be reeducated.

No lie, that isn't made up.

lol, what? when did he say this? That seems a little weird. Are we talking high school or college? And I really don't understand that.

No, he is talking about redistribution at all levels.

You take from one person and give to another so that things will be equal for all.

It has never worked in the history of mankind but there are those who believe fervently that it could work and so they just keep on pounding out the class struggle mantra.

 

[Vol Main]

lol, what? when did he say this? That seems a little weird. Are we talking high school or college? And I really don't understand that.

Around VN, comments like that pass for sarcasm.

 

[lawgator1]

LOL, you're the last person that needs to give advice on any political subject. Hahaha

Good ..... umm... argument ? Or whatever ?

 

[lawgator1]

Well, you are in college, right? So it would apply to college. If you get good grades, great! But, don't be surprised when some of your grades are redistributed to those who are less fortunate than you.


Ok, look, this is a metaphor for money if you don't understand. Redistribution is the act of taking what you earn and distributing a portion out toward those who haven't earned as much. It is a main tenet of the Democratic platform, they just couch it in terms like "tax the rich more."

Wow. What an horrific analogy.

 

[YorkVol]

Wow. What an horrific analogy.

Why is that? Please expound or provide a better way for a student to get the concept of redistribution.

 

[tumscalcium]

Good ..... umm... argument ? Or whatever ?

Not an argument, just stating a fact.

 

[voltnh]

I also was turned off by what Romney said about the 47%.

Did you actually see the comment in its entirety, or did someone tell you that Romney said something stupid and you took their work for it???

 

[voltnh]

Originally Posted by YorkVol
Well, you are in college, right? So it would apply to college. If you get good grades, great! But, don't be surprised when some of your grades are redistributed to those who are less fortunate than you.


Ok, look, this is a metaphor for money if you don't understand. Redistribution is the act of taking what you earn and distributing a portion out toward those who haven't earned as much. It is a main tenet of the Democratic platform, they just couch it in terms like "tax the rich more."

Wow. What an horrific analogy.

This analogy can work quite well on college youngsters. It is commonly presented thus:

Student 1 receives an A
Student 2 receives a C
Grand Poobah of the class takes one letter grade from Student 1 and gives it to Student 2, therefore both receive a B

A common response from student 1 is "but...but...but I worked hard for that A..." at which point light bulbs become to light up in the students once dormant brain, connections are made to real world applications, etc., etc. It really is a beautiful thing to watch.

 

[Sheezy]

Wow. What an horrific analogy.

I don't think it's a bad analogy, but how the hell was I supposed to get that that's what he meant?

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Still think those pell grants are worth it?

Young Workers Salary Continues To Decline, But Some Still Find Work Happiness (SLIDESHOW)

Data analyzed by the Progressive Policy Institute reveal that college grads from ages 25 to 34, working full time, earned an average of $54,500 in 2011 -- about 15 percent less than in 2005. The drop is equivalent to about $10,000 in salary adjusted for inflation.

The survey comes as a rising number of students and their families questionwhether the high cost of college is worth it. A 2012 Pew study found that only 55 percent of those with undergraduate degrees felt that college helped prepare them for a job.

Part of the reason for this is that middle-skill positions, like white collar sales representatives and entry-level analysts, were some of the first to disappear when the economy collapsed in 2008. That forced recent graduates to take lower-skill jobs, such as customer service or low-skilled health industry positions. Those positions would likely have gone to people with high school degrees in a stronger economy.