Vouchers pass in Indiana!

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here come the union apologists to tell us what a bad idea it is to introduce competition in the education system
 
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fl0at said:
Annnnnd here comes the lawsuits for discrimination because families with children that otherwise couldn't get into private schools due to income... now can't get in because of acceptance boards.
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plenty of private schools in california here having problems filling their classes because of the economy. 3 years ago this probably woudl have been a problem.
 
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droski said:
plenty of private schools in california here having problems filling their classes because of the economy. 3 years ago this probably woudl have been a problem.
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And in those cases, this will be a good thing... for filling the classroom. Whether that means the level of education has to be dumbed down to accommodate the influx remains to be seen.

There is a reason that top schools are highly selective. And it isn't to get access to tax records to determine income.
 
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I hope that Tennessee adopts something similar. There are too many public school teachers who don't do enough to help the kids, they just tolerate them. Frustrates my wife and I to no end.
 
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fl0at said:
Help starts at home.
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You got kids?? You work full-time?? Don't sit here and give me the at home speech, when teachers spend more time with the kids awake on a weekly basis, than the parents do. I get my kid to try and teach her, after she's already been burned out from 6-8 hours of teaching at school. Eventually, the kid becomes numb to the idea that home should be where school is as well. Happens in every household.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You got kids?? You work full-time?? Don't sit here and give me the at home speech, when teachers spend more time with the kids awake on a weekly basis, than the parents do. I get my kid to try and teach her, after she's already been burned out from 6-8 hours of teaching at school. Eventually, the kid becomes numb to the idea that home should be where school is as well. Happens in every household.
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teaching the kid that education is important is far more important that literally teaching them when they get home from class.
 
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droski said:
teaching the kid that education is important is far more important that literally teaching them when they get home from class.
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You think that we don't do that?? Sometimes it takes one great teacher to get through to a child, too bad they aren't in her school right now. It's been really tough for my daughter this year, mainly because it's become the blame game at school, between the teachers and her. I know it's up to her to do her best, but sometimes it's hard to motivate a 12 year old these days in school. I'm hoping a change of scenery helps her, because we are moving in August, so maybe that will help.
 
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we pour more $$ into education then any other country by far, yet we lag behind. The majority of the blame has to go on the teachers because ultimately its their job
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You think that we don't do that?? Sometimes it takes one great teacher to get through to a child, too bad they aren't in her school right now. It's been really tough for my daughter this year, mainly because it's become the blame game at school, between the teachers and her. I know it's up to her to do her best, but sometimes it's hard to motivate a 12 year old these days in school. I'm hoping a change of scenery helps her, because we are moving in August, so maybe that will help.
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speaking from a guy who is married to a teacher. . . the first mistake parents make in these situations is enabling the kids poor performance by blaming the teachers or the administration. it allows her for it to be ok to fail since it's not "her fault." i'm not saying you are doing that neccasarily btw.
 
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droski said:
speaking from a guy who is married to a teacher. . . the first mistake parents make in these situations is enabling the kids poor performance by blaming the teachers or the administration. it allows her for it to be ok to fail since it's not "her fault." i'm not saying you are doing that neccasarily btw.
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Wife is also a teacher, Kindergarten, and more often than not, she knows what the parents will be like when they come in for conferences the first time.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
we pour more $$ into education then any other country by far, yet we lag behind. The majority of the blame has to go on the teachers because ultimately its their job
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the administrators are the real cash drain. but if the parents don't care the students wont either. you'd be amazed by the difference in parent participation between the poorly and well ranked schools.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You think that we don't do that?? Sometimes it takes one great teacher to get through to a child, too bad they aren't in her school right now. It's been really tough for my daughter this year, mainly because it's become the blame game at school, between the teachers and her. I know it's up to her to do her best, but sometimes it's hard to motivate a 12 year old these days in school. I'm hoping a change of scenery helps her, because we are moving in August, so maybe that will help.
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her age is key. Middle school is a tough ride for kids regardless of what their home life is like or how good their school is. My oldest son struggled mightily all through MS (grades 6 through 8), but once he entered high school, he immediately became more engaged and interested and his grades improved tremendously.

Best advice for you is to just get through this time with your daughter with as little acrimony as possible. Colleges don't give a damn what our kids do in middle school.
 
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droski said:
speaking from a guy who is married to a teacher. . . the first mistake parents make in these situations is enabling the kids poor performance by blaming the teachers or the administration. it allows her for it to be ok to fail since it's not "her fault." i'm not saying you are doing that neccasarily btw.
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My wife and I have high expectations for my daughter, and we have rules set forth to enforce those expectations. I've been to 3 PTC's this year, and every time they blame my daughter, which is half of the problem. The other half is the thought process that the teachers have that somehow we don't try and teach our daughter to be better than she currently is. That's a huge problem right now, or at least where I am it is. Teachers blame the kids and the parents for not getting it, but when does it ever become the teacher's fault??
 
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MG1968 said:
her age is key. Middle school is a tough ride for kids regardless of what their home life is like or how good their school is. My oldest son struggled mightily all through MS (grades 6 through 8), but once he entered high school, he immediately became more engaged and interested and his grades improved tremendously.

Best advice for you is to just get through this time with your daughter with as little acrimony as possible. Colleges don't give a damn what our kids do in middle school.
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Oh, I agree, but if she develops bad habits now, and she has some, they are going to be tougher for her to break or improve on later on in school. I also think that they go too fast in the classroom these days, which is a REALLY big part of our education system's total failure.
 
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teachers hands are often tied due to regulations that force them to accept discipline problems and "slow" children in their classrooms. It's only natural for kids who actually want to learn to begin resenting the teacher for paying far more attention to the special needs kids and the thugs.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
My wife and I have high expectations for my daughter, and we have rules set forth to enforce those expectations. I've been to 3 PTC's this year, and every time they blame my daughter, which is half of the problem. The other half is the thought process that the teachers have that somehow we don't try and teach our daughter to be better than she currently is. That's a huge problem right now, or at least where I am it is. Teachers blame the kids and the parents for not getting it, but when does it ever become the teacher's fault??
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if you can't work with her to make her better, or are incapable of it, i'd suggest asking for after school help. she wont like it, but it's not up to her anyway. it can be the teachers fault, but generally speaking if she's having problems with multiple teachers it isn't the teachers fault. you also have to ask why she is struggling and others (i assume) are not?
 
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droski said:
if you can't work with her to make her better, or are incapable of it, i'd suggest asking for after school help. she wont like it, but it's not up to her anyway. it can be the teachers fault, but generally speaking if she's having problems with multiple teachers it isn't the teachers fault. you also have to ask why she is struggling and others (i assume) are not?
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If it was only as easy as you describe it, things would have been much different for her this year. She is in mandatory homework in her after school care, and we can't afford a special tutor for her. Sucks really, but such is life sometimes.
 
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MG1968 said:
teachers hands are often tied due to regulations that force them to accept discipline problems and "slow" children in their classrooms. It's only natural for kids who actually want to learn to begin resenting the teacher for paying far more attention to the special needs kids and the thugs.
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So, the teacher should just let those kids flounder about?? Is this the Darwinism school you are talking about here??
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If it was only as easy as you describe it, things would have been much different for her this year. She is in mandatory homework in her after school care, and we can't afford a special tutor for her. Sucks really, but such is life sometimes.
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wasn't implying it's easy, just trying to tell you blaming the teachers isn't helping her.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
My wife and I have high expectations for my daughter, and we have rules set forth to enforce those expectations. I've been to 3 PTC's this year, and every time they blame my daughter, which is half of the problem. The other half is the thought process that the teachers have that somehow we don't try and teach our daughter to be better than she currently is. That's a huge problem right now, or at least where I am it is. Teachers blame the kids and the parents for not getting it, but when does it ever become the teacher's fault??
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maybe you and your wife should loosen up just a little bit. As I said before, the middle school years are very tough on kids and your daughter could be stressed out over issues unrelated to education (like boys, peer pressure, etc.). Home should be an oasis from the turmoil of school, not a continuation of it.
 
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