Vouchers pass in Indiana!

#26
#26
MG1968 said:
maybe you and your wife should loosen up just a little bit. As I said before, the middle school years are very tough on kids and your daughter could be stressed out over issues unrelated to education (like boys, peer pressure, etc.). Home should be an oasis from the turmoil of school, not a continuation of it.
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I believe this as well, however, it's just not as easy as it sounds. I wish she could come home and relax as she wished, but too often she doesn't do homework correctly, and we have to help her.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I believe this as well, however, it's just not as easy as it sounds. I wish she could come home and relax as she wished, but too often she doesn't do homework correctly, and we have to help her.
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think about what you're saying here.
 
#30
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MG1968 said:
think about what you're saying here.
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Her after school program isn't exactly the best, and they don't sit there with her and help her do the homework, they just check that it's done. That's one of the biggest frustrations I have right now. I also don't believe kids should ever have homework, I believe it should all be done in class.
 
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droski said:
taking responsiblity for your performance is part of growing up. i'm not saying teachers can't suck, but some students are surely doing well in those classes.
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Sure they are, but they are good with the teaching style. Some kids don't go good with a certain teaching style, and need some different instructing methods.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Her after school program isn't exactly the best, and they don't sit there with her and help her do the homework, they just check that it's done. That's one of the biggest frustrations I have right now. I also don't believe kids should ever have homework, I believe it should all be done in class.
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why aren't you checking to see that her homework is done properly?

g8terh8ter_eric said:
Sure they are, but they are good with the teaching style. Some kids don't go good with a certain teaching style, and need some different instructing methods.
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sounds like you might want to check if she has a learning disability. i had one (just so you know i'm not trying to be insulting).
 
#33
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droski said:
why aren't you checking to see that her homework is done properly?



sounds like you might want to check if she has a learning disability. i had one (just so you know i'm not trying to be insulting).
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We do every night, which is why it's hard for us to separate school from home on a regular basis.

Her pediatrician says she is doing fine, and she's just like most other kids her age. My wife and I differ on this, and I think she just has too much stuff to do at home (fun stuff), and that she needs less to help her prioritize at school. I am a step-father, so sometimes getting through to my wife about certain things is difficult.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
We do every night, which is why it's hard for us to separate school from home on a regular basis.

Her pediatrician says she is doing fine, and she's just like most other kids her age. My wife and I differ on this, and I think she just has too much stuff to do at home (fun stuff), and that she needs less to help her prioritize at school. I am a step-father, so sometimes getting through to my wife about certain things is difficult.
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she's 12 years old, perhaps you should let her be a kid.
 
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fl0at said:
There seems to be a disconnect between this statement and others made in a differing thread.
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In regards to my daughter, whom is not mine biologically, it's completely different on this front. It's hard being a blended family, and balancing our belief system. We do our best though, and we work through a lot of issues, and will continue to do so.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
In regards to my daughter, whom is not mine biologically, it's completely different on this front. It's hard being a blended family, and balancing our belief system. We do our best though, and we work through a lot of issues, and will continue to do so.
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Stay positive. Do what you can for her, and guide her as able. All you can do.
 
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fl0at said:
Stay positive. Do what you can for her, and guide her as able. All you can do.
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This is where the biggest disconnect is in my family, and it is hard for me, because I only want what's best for her, but my wife was a single mom for a long time. She also was deployed to Kuwait during one of the most important times in my daughter's life, so we are trying to work through that as well.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
My wife said the same thing when she was 6, and I was cool with that. May I ask then, when do you suggest they start taking things just a tad bit more seriously?? 16 or 17??
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the fact that she is growing up in a stable, loving two-parent household counts for a lot. She will mature, and if it takes until she's 16 or 17 for the light to come on, then so be it.

Also, you should encourage her to pursue her interests, not pursue your interests. My oldest son was more interested in vocational studies while my youngest is academically inclined. Their mother and I let them chose the class schedule that fit their strengths and and interests. It's foolish of a parent to think he or she can pre-ordain a child's destiny.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Her pediatrician says she is doing fine, and she's just like most other kids her age. My wife and I differ on this, and I think she just has too much stuff to do at home (fun stuff), and that she needs less to help her prioritize at school. I am a step-father, so sometimes getting through to my wife about certain things is difficult.
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a pediatrician doesn't have the proper background to decide if she has a learning disability or not. her school might have some resources. not saying that's the problem btw, but it can't hurt to check.
 
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droski said:
a pediatrician doesn't have the proper background to decide if she has a learning disability or not. her school might have some resources. not saying that's the problem btw, but it can't hurt to check.
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hopefully, this doesn't end with a prescription for a narcotic based behavior modifier.
 
#45
#45
I'm deeply skeptical.

Vouchers are usually a euphamism for "Welfare-Dad giveaways."

I do believe the education system needs a radical reformation, however, the original idea of taking everyone from every walk of life and teaching them to read, write, add, and multiply will never get old.
 
#46
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droski said:
a pediatrician doesn't have the proper background to decide if she has a learning disability or not. her school might have some resources. not saying that's the problem btw, but it can't hurt to check.
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Peds are good gate keepers. Most primary care facilities keep check lists and questionnaires, and can run through a psych profile during normal conversation and determine whether a referral to a psychiatrist is necessary.

Diagnosis is usually made in the clinic; treatment and follow up with the specialist.
 
#47
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utgibbs said:
I'm deeply skeptical.

Vouchers are usually a euphamism for "Welfare-Dad giveaways."

I do believe the education system needs a radical reformation, however, the original idea of taking everyone from every walk of life and teaching them to read, write, add, and multiply will never get old.
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I feel like you're supposed to be on the other side of this debate...
 
#48
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utgibbs said:
I'm deeply skeptical.

Vouchers are usually a euphamism for "Welfare-Dad giveaways."

I do believe the education system needs a radical reformation, however, the original idea of taking everyone from every walk of life and teaching them to read, write, add, and multiply will never get old.
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What does that mean? If this is pertinent: the only way I've seen vouchers structured is they go straight to the school. The fam never sees the money.

Also, teaching everyone to read and write is fine, but we don't have to have a public school system to accomplish that. We could just have a public fund that pays for private education for everyone. It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper.
 
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utgibbs said:
I'm deeply skeptical.

Vouchers are usually a euphamism for "Welfare-Dad giveaways."

I do believe the education system needs a radical reformation, however, the original idea of taking everyone from every walk of life and teaching them to read, write, add, and multiply will never get old.
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Unsurprising.
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#50
#50
Thought this is as good a thread as any to bring this up, might help some parents out there.

When I was growing up, my siblings and I were allowed to watch one show or one sporting event during the week (M-F). We were placed in after-school care (at the school I attended) until my Mom could pick us up between five and six. All of us played sports year round. We were not allowed to play outside until our homework was completed. My Mom, even though she worked all day, always cooked dinner, and while she cooked, we worked on our homework in the kitchen, so she could help us if we had problems. We also always had dinner at the table, as a family, absent of TV. My parents individually asked each of us what happened at school and what we learned. If we could not explain very well what we were learning or misused a word, my Dad would send us to the bookshelf to retrieve either the Encyclopedia or the Dictionary. The one question my Dad also asked almost every night was, "What are you reading?" He would then proceed to ask what the book was about and what point in the book we were at. At no period were we allowed to not be reading and making progress in a book of our own choosing (outside of a rigorous, private school curriculum). When we were punished, we were assigned research papers. Until the research paper was complete, graded, revised, and regraded by my Dad, we were grounded.

Life continued in this manner until high school. Each year of high school, the rules were eased a little more. By senior year, each of us was basically independent, so long as we did not get in trouble.

It was frustrating to grow up and know that my friends did not have such a rigorously demanding upbringing. At many times I was angry with my parents; however, as high school progressed, the anger faded away. The anger was converted to genuine gratitude about halfway through my Junior year when I began to apply to the Academies and it has continued to be gratitude throughout the rest of my adult life.
 
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