Vouchers pass in Indiana!

[Tenacious D]

What does that mean? If this is pertinent: the only way I've seen vouchers structured is they go straight to the school. The fam never sees the money.

Also, teaching everyone to read and write is fine, but we don't have to have a public school system to accomplish that. We could just have a public fund that pays for private education for everyone. It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper.

Unless the kids unionize. Que the AFL-CIO music.
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[fl0at]

When we were punished, we were assigned research papers. Until the research paper was complete, graded, revised, and regraded by my Dad, we were grounded.

I like this idea. I think I will file it away for use in the future.

 

[therealUT]

I like this idea. I think I will file it away for use in the future.

It was pretty solid. He also, unlike with reading, would not press us to get it done. So, if we wanted to be angry and basically boycott, we just extended our own grounding.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Thought this is as good a thread as any to bring this up, might help some parents out there.

When I was growing up, my siblings and I were allowed to watch one show or one sporting event during the week (M-F). We were placed in after-school care (at the school I attended) until my Mom could pick us up between five and six. All of us played sports year round. We were not allowed to play outside until our homework was completed. My Mom, even though she worked all day, always cooked dinner, and while she cooked, we worked on our homework in the kitchen, so she could help us if we had problems. We also always had dinner at the table, as a family, absent of TV. My parents individually asked each of us what happened at school and what we learned. If we could not explain very well what we were learning or misused a word, my Dad would send us to the bookshelf to retrieve either the Encyclopedia or the Dictionary. The one question my Dad also asked almost every night was, "What are you reading?" He would then proceed to ask what the book was about and what point in the book we were at. At no period were we allowed to not be reading and making progress in a book of our own choosing (outside of a rigorous, private school curriculum). When we were punished, we were assigned research papers. Until the research paper was complete, graded, revised, and regraded by my Dad, we were grounded.

Life continued in this manner until high school. Each year of high school, the rules were eased a little more. By senior year, each of us was basically independent, so long as we did not get in trouble.

It was frustrating to grow up and know that my friends did not have such a rigorously demanding upbringing. At many times I was angry with my parents; however, as high school progressed, the anger faded away. The anger was converted to genuine gratitude about halfway through my Junior year when I began to apply to the Academies and it has continued to be gratitude throughout the rest of my adult life.

Minus the research papers and private school, this is basically how I was raised. It sucked sometimes, but I thank my mom and dad every chance I get for the outstanding job they did with me.

 

[fl0at]

It was pretty solid. He also, unlike with reading, would not press us to get it done. So, if we wanted to be angry and basically boycott, we just extended our own grounding.

Hm. Discipline and further punishment for procrastination. Very, very intriguing.

What was his policy on re-reading books, and did he tend to push fiction or non-fiction, or was it operator's choice?

 

[therealUT]

Hm. Discipline and further punishment for procrastination. Very, very intriguing.

What was his policy on re-reading books, and did he tend to push fiction or non-fiction, or was it operator's choice?

Re-reading books was definitely not allowed.

It was our choice; however, my choice was usually limited to hand-me-downs from my older brother and sister. I think I ended up reading everything R.L. Stine had written up to that point. I also remember reading A Time to Kill in either fifth or sixth grade, which then turned me on to Grisham (whom I now loath) for the next year and a half.

 

[fl0at]

Re-reading books was definitely not allowed.

I like it. I may steal the concept. Although, should the child wish to re-read a book, it will be allowable if progress is also being made in a new book. Probably a similar policy in your childhood home as well.

My reading in childhood was mostly limited to Gary Paulsen, and by high school, anything pertaining to special operations in Vietnam. LRRPs still "wow" me.

 

[therealUT]

I like it. I may steal the concept. Although, should the child wish to re-read a book, it will be allowable if progress is also being made in a new book. Probably a similar policy in your childhood home as well.

My reading in childhood was mostly limited to Gary Paulsen, and by high school, anything pertaining to special operations in Vietnam. LRRPs still "wow" me.

I remember taking Platoon Leader off the shelf in high school and being floored; then, I grabbed Airwar Vietnam...did not pick up another Vietnam book the rest of my time in high school.

 

[fl0at]

I remember taking Platoon Leader off the shelf in high school and being floored; then, I grabbed Airwar Vietnam...did not pick up another Vietnam book the rest of my time in high school.

Yay, thread hijacking.

I think I started out with 93 Confirmed Kills by Charles Henderson, and then progressed from there.

Never read Airwar Vietnam. Always stuck with the ground. I'm apparently a grunt even in my psychological state.

 

[Volst53]

I'm not saying there aren't bad teachers, but the fault in public schools start at home. I have students that their parents tell them not to listen to teachers and that they don't have to try at school. The schools are now limited in how to handle these issues. There was a time when these students would have just got paddled or sent home. It has became even harder to punish these students.

I'm also for vouchers. I feel bad for the students trying to do the right thing and being stuck with classmates that just want to be a disturbance.

 

[therealUT]

Yay, thread hijacking.

I think I started out with 93 Confirmed Kills by Charles Henderson, and then progressed from there.

Never read Airwar Vietnam. Always stuck with the ground. I'm apparently a grunt even in my psychological state.

Don't. It is dry and is written almost exclusively for airplane geeks and technocrats.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I'm not saying there aren't bad teachers, but the fault in public schools start at home. I have students that their parents tell them not to listen to teachers and that they don't have to try at school. The schools are now limited in how to handle these issues. There was a time when these students would have just got paddled or sent home. It has became even harder to punish these students.

I'm also for vouchers. I feel bad for the students trying to do the right thing and being stuck with classmates that just want to be a disturbance.

So, my whole problem could be someone else's kid causing mine not to get the attention she needs?? You know, I never really thought about that, but it does make sense.

 

[Volst53]

So, my whole problem could be someone else's kid causing mine not to get the attention she needs?? You know, I never really thought about that, but it does make sense.

I have no idea, you're the father. Why don't you ask your child what is their issue at school?

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I have no idea, you're the father. Why don't you ask your child what is their issue is at school?

Have you read anything I have posted in this thread?? I know what her issues in school are, and I know that her teachers are partially to blame. My wife and I are VERY involved in her school, and what she does.

 

[Volst53]

I haven't read, but if you are involved with her school you should know the general make up of her class.

 

[Tenacious D]

Hm. Discipline and further punishment for procrastination. Very, very intriguing.

What was his policy on re-reading books, and did he tend to push fiction or non-fiction, or was it operator's choice?

Have written it down as well.

My regards to Mr. theRealUT.
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[Tenacious D]

So, my whole problem could be someone else's kid causing mine not to get the attention she needs?? You know, I never really thought about that, but it does make sense.

I've heard (several) instances of teachers pairing up "good" (well-behaved, strong academically) with "weaker" or more "troublesome" students - sort of a peer modeling practice. I've never heard of it working in the "good" kid's direction.

And I put everything in quotations to denote my using common terms - not to purport my belief. I was as bad of a student as you could be, and somehow scraped by later, once I woke up.

Eric - I agree with the earlier advice, do your best and encourage her to do the same. It'll work out.
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[Weezy]

I've heard (several) instances of teachers pairing up "good" (well-behaved, strong academically) with "weaker" or more "troublesome" students - sort of a peer modeling practice. I've never heard of it working in the "good" kid's direction.

If anything I think it might be overwhelming for the good student, and demeaning to the poor student; at least at a younger age where some students haven't clicked yet.

But I will say tutoring is some of the best studying a student can do because in order to teach the material, you need to really understand it, not just be able to do the homework. I know in college it was a great way to stay fresh on the fundamentals even when your coursework had gotten away from that.

And from the perspective of the poor student, sometimes somebody who just learned the material will be able to relate the fundamentals better than someone who's been in repeat for decades.

I like the idea, but it would take a salesman of a teacher to get students to buy in.