WandaVision on Disney+

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VolsSportsFan said:
That doesn't make any sense at all. In the context of their show and explanation (so far at least) it would make perfect sense to bring back Aaron Taylor-Johnson. And how in the hell would he come to the conclusion that casting the OTHER QS would NOT confuse the fanbase and at the least build up expectations. Peters casting only makes sense from a 4th wall perspetive i.e. OMG IT'S THE X-MEN UNIVERSE QUICKSILVER. The way they played it out it could have literally been anyone else.....but making it Evan Peters would appear to be a calculated move to anyone with common sense but so far looks like.....zero payoff other than they got to troll their fanbase.

I'm sorry but that explanation is quite stupid if Shakman actually thought that and I have a hard time believing someone like Kevin Feige wouldn't have a bigger say considering this is his baby overall.
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I think it was meant to be solely a meta moment much like Wanda referencing Kick Ass in the Sppoktacular. It wasn’t fair to fans knowing they are heading toward a movie about the Multiverse and that the X-Men property has reverted to Marvel/Disney. They definitely failed to realize the expectations they were setting.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I think it was meant to be solely a meta moment much like Wanda referencing Kick Ass in the Sppoktacular. It wasn’t fair to fans knowing they are heading toward a movie about the Multiverse and that the X-Men property has reverted to Marvel/Disney. They definitely failed to realize the expectations they were setting.
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I'm sorry but I don't buy this at all. There is no way in hell that Disney and especially Kevin Feige wouldn't realize the signals this would send out. I would buy the "intentional troll" argument over this explanation.

I mean think if they had cast Hugh Jackman as a guy who was going around calling himself Logan and seemed like he could heal instantly and had super strengthy and claws that shot out of his hands and suddenly he wakes up and he's actually Marty the town mailman and all his powers were from a witch. You're telling me Disney would say "Sorry just being meta yo!" You're telling me Disney wouldn't realize the expectations they set up? Yeah I know, EP and Quicksilver are not HJ and Wolverine.....but as far as the Fox X-Men QS is definitely one of the most popular things about that franchise.

I'm now wondering if this was just a big F U to Fox and the fans from Feige because Fox's Quicksilver was more popular than the MCU's version; like Vince McMahon buying WCW and burying all the WCW wrestlers.
 
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Did they ever go back to whomever was in protective custody? It opens the door for qs to be the guy that was in protective custody after shield managed to bring him from an alrernate reality and was using a false name.
 
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davethevol said:
I thought the ending was really good and opens up all sorts of directions they can take the future movies. It sounds like this will be a single series and most likely won’t have a second season. Overall, it was very creative and not a complete re-hash of all the super hero movies.
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It was a great Origin story for Wanda and sets up that Dr Strange 2 will be the sequel for both stars strange.
 
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Carp said:
Great show and the finale really felt like a strong superhero fight. I really want to know what angle they were playing with Agatha's "husband." Are we really to believe she was just a stand in as Agatha's husband so get Agnes' character could fit into Wanda's world? They didn't address her pet rabbit either other than it was a familiar.

A little disappointed we didn't get more of a lead in into the Multiverse of Madness with a cameo from Dr. Strange.
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My understanding was Agatha came to Westview because she sensed Wanda’s powers. She moved in next door and took over the guy who already lived there, Ralph Bohner, who was just a nobody. Since we never saw him, she used him as the QS recasting just to influence Wanda. In the end Monica freed him of the spell which also gave him the super speed, or the illusion of it.
 
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Also....to the people mad at the show supposedly not more of a lead into Dr. Strange 2.....I mean come on...there was plenty of stuff alluding to that movies....so just because they didn't have Strange as a cameo...doesnt mean they didn't lead into that movie properly.
 
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SouthKnoxVOL said:
The ending wasn't ****....did you really think they were going to reveal a new main MCU villain in a 1 season show on Disney+ instead of the movies?
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Well considering that Disney has said that Disney+ is their future and not theatrical released films it was a possibility.
 
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I like these Pitch Meetings in general but got a timely chuckle out of this one. It’s pretty spoilery if you haven’t finished the show...

 
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knox-townVOL said:
Ehhhh I mean.... they kind of asked for it with the QS hoax
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I think with the growing fan theories and leaks that happened leading up to Endgame, they really wanted to troll all of the theorist and leaks that tend to spoil the fun for everyone else. Fans had basically already assumed Agness was Agatha Harkness when her character was first announced. And I think that's why you saw multiple indirect references to Nightmare and Mephisto during the show. And it's possible they could still retcon the events in Wandavision to include either character in a future Marvel movie/series.

I really thought we would see more of a lead into Dr. Strange than what we did. Oh well. Still a great series, even if it did leave a lot of questions unanswered.
 
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So if you follow Mikey Sutton, the guy who has made a name on MCU leaks and seems to get most stuff right like Spider-Man in the MCU, Disney buying Fox. etc. says the following:

Most of the leaks that came out were about Doctor Strange 2, not WandaVision. Evan Peters isn't done in the MCU and he is QS and is the person in the witness protection that Woo was talking about. Agatha controlled him but didn't give him the powers because he already had them. Apparently they want EP to be the MCU Quicksilver now and sounds like some more might be coming like Fassbender as Magneto. As much as I like Mikey and respect his leak skills, I'm still skeptical a bit because he actually seemed like he had bought in about a month ago on QS and Magneto showing up and made no mention of it not being for WandaVision. He did however shoot down pretty early that Richard Reed/Fantastic Four wouldn't be introduced here though.
 
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SouthKnoxVOL said:
Also....to the people mad at the show supposedly not more of a lead into Dr. Strange 2.....I mean come on...there was plenty of stuff alluding to that movies....so just because they didn't have Strange as a cameo...doesnt mean they didn't lead into that movie properly.
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it was a let down at the end, oh well... still novel concept, enjoyed it for what it was
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
So if you follow Mikey Sutton, the guy who has made a name on MCU leaks and seems to get most stuff right like Spider-Man in the MCU, Disney buying Fox. etc. says the following:

Most of the leaks that came out were about Doctor Strange 2, not WandaVision. Evan Peters isn't done in the MCU and he is QS and is the person in the witness protection that Woo was talking about. Agatha controlled him but didn't give him the powers because he already had them. Apparently they want EP to be the MCU Quicksilver now and sounds like some more might be coming like Fassbender as Magneto. As much as I like Mikey and respect his leak skills, I'm still skeptical a bit because he actually seemed like he had bought in about a month ago on QS and Magneto showing up and made no mention of it not being for WandaVision. He did however shoot down pretty early that Richard Reed/Fantastic Four wouldn't be introduced here though.
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Woo didn't recognize Ralph Bohner when he saw him on TV though. And someone in witness protection wouldn't be an actor with headshots. So that doesn't make any sense.
 
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SouthKnoxVOL said:
Also....to the people mad at the show supposedly not more of a lead into Dr. Strange 2.....I mean come on...there was plenty of stuff alluding to that movies....so just because they didn't have Strange as a cameo...doesnt mean they didn't lead into that movie properly.
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I think the lead in most were expecting was a larger set up on the multiverse, i.e., how the current universe is fractured, allowing for other universes to cross-over. I don't think most expected necessarily expected a Dr. Strange cameo (though I was hoping for that).

I'm not mad at the ending. A little disappointed that we didn't get left with a cliff hanger or at least a set up of a possible season 2/spin-off. But I enjoyed it nonetheless.
 
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Erik Voss does a good job here breaking down the Evan Peters as QS storyline and makes some great points. I think his best point here is that Wandavision was supposed to be the the 4th installation of Phase 4, not the 1st installment, and Evan Peters as Pietro was in the works as far back as 2019. So this little easter egg/meta joke about re-casting Pietro wasn't supposed to have the significance that it did. But with Wandavision now the 1st installment of phase 4, and with fans hungry after such a long layoff from the end of Phase 3, I think a large microscope was unfairly put on this show.

 
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Carp said:
Erik Voss does a good job here breaking down the Evan Peters as QS storyline and makes some great points. I think his best point here is that Wandavision was supposed to be the the 4th installation of Phase 4, not the 1st installment, and Evan Peters as Pietro was in the works as far back as 2019. So this little easter egg/meta joke about re-casting Pietro wasn't supposed to have the significance that it did. But with Wandavision now the 1st installment of phase 4, and with fans hungry after such a long layoff from the end of Phase 3, I think a large microscope was unfairly put on this show.

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When it comes to the EP casting, it wasn't unfair at all. If they really were just planning on it being a "meta joke" then chalk that up as one of the first really stupid things they've done. There is no way they coudn't have known this wouldn't cause the response it did. As @knox-townVOL said, for this they brought it on themselves.

Some of the rest of the stuff I'll agree was internet speculation gone wild, but other stuff like the aerospace engineer again I think they were a bit obtuse with. Plus the actors hyped this stuff way too much with Bethany trolling and Olsen teasing a "Luke Skywalker moment", so again....they kind of have themselves to blame.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
When it comes to the EP casting, it wasn't unfair at all. If they really were just planning on it being a "meta joke" then chalk that up as one of the first really stupid things they've done. There is no way they coudn't have known this wouldn't cause the response it did. As @knox-townVOL said, for this they brought it on themselves.

Some of the rest of the stuff I'll agree was internet speculation gone wild, but other stuff like the aerospace engineer again I think they were a bit obtuse with. Plus the actors hyped this stuff way too much with Bethany trolling and Olsen teasing a "Luke Skywalker moment", so again....they kind of have themselves to blame.
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Again, he was cast in this role with the intention of Wandavision being the 4th installment on phase 4. It's possible something about mutants would have already been revealed by now in The Eternals, Black Widow, or The Falcon and the Winter Soldier that wouldn't have made this Evan Peters reveal that significant.

As far as the actors and their "leaks" much of that can be attributed to the people asking the questions. Bettany didn't bring up mutants or the multi-verse, he was asked a specific question about it. There's a fine line you have to dance around giving fans juicy bits to stoke their interest without revealing too much about the plot.
 
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