War in Ukraine

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Vol737 said:
Good luck. This deficit spending is here to stay. Will only get bigger. It’s the intended, impending plunge into chaos when it all crashes “they” will use to completely reshape the country.
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Ummm... who's "they"?

Every President / Congress since we last had a budget surplus under Clinton?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The only problem is that isn't happening on the Russia side. The Ukrainians are the ones dying. You really don't understand that they are just cannon fodder right now? The West is simply throwing them into the battle because no NATO nation has the stomach/balls to fight a conventional war against Russia. Not one... not even the US.
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The Ukrainians can quit at anytime, you can’t force people to fight unless you take the old Russian tactic of threatening the families.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The Russians are defending the people of Donbas and are providing a buffer between themselves and NATO. Russia has the same security concerns that the US would have if China or Russia placed military assets in Mexico or Cuba. And you know this.
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That’s utter bullshot. The Russians have been stirring up the Donbas.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Oh 2 more things. First off, I do not get my azz handed to me in this thread because in the end, the truth reveals itself and all of you cockroaches scramble and change the narrative whenever the situation on the ground shows that Ghist if Kyiv, Snake Island etc is false. Also, I don't spout off Russian propaganda. I spout off the truth to the best of my ability based on the information presented.

Meanwhile, while you are LOL, Russia is still advancing... whether it is 3 days or 5 months or 5 years. The outcome is the same. If you think the Russians are so terrible, then explain why we don't see not one NATO country wanting to jump in and hand these Russians their azzes in a conventional setting.
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What narrative have I changed? Go ahead and point it out. Meanwhile, you started by claiming there would be no invasion, then later went on to post that the invasion was clearly building for years. You claimed that Russia was being precise and strategic in their attacks to avoid killing civilians and the destruction of civilian infrastructure, all as we watch them lay waste to entire apartment,condo complexes, attack malls, schools, see the raw footage of executions of civilians with zip tied hands behind their backs. You scoff at the idea of superior western weapons making any difference, meanwhile the western weapons are clearly making a huge difference. You blame the west for the situation, make excuses for the invader, and quite frankly spout literal nonsense. You have a reputation on this board for being blinded and biased on anything related to Russia for a reason. As far as why the United States isn’t jumping in to fight, why the hell would they? They can literally just provide weapons and equipment to those Ukrainians who you claim don’t really want to fight. They seem pretty fu***** motivated to fight their invaders to me. Russia can play the long game and eventually claim a “win”, but we all know they truly can’t win now.
 
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hog88 said:
That’s utter bullshot. The Russians have been stirring up the Donbas.
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The Donbas republics didn't want anything to do with the Kyiv regime after the 2014 coup. That was their right to want to separate from Ukraine. The Kyiv regime attacked them for 8 years and did not abide by the Minsk ceasefire agreements.

You all still do not want to acknowledge this simple fact. If course the Russians are going to eventually intervene... no different than what the US did with Texans against Santa Ana.
 
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615vols said:
What narrative have I changed? Go ahead and point it out. Meanwhile, you started by claiming there would be no invasion, then later went on to post that the invasion was clearly building for years. You claimed that Russia was being precise and strategic in their attacks to avoid killing civilians and the destruction of civilian infrastructure, all as we watch them lay waste to entire apartment,condo complexes, attack malls, schools, see the raw footage of executions of civilians with zip tied hands behind their backs. You scoff at the idea of superior western weapons making any difference, meanwhile the western weapons are clearly making a huge difference. You blame the west for the situation, make excuses for the invader, and quite frankly spout literal nonsense. You have a reputation on this board for being blinded and biased on anything related to Russia for a reason. As far as why the United States isn’t jumping in to fight, why the hell would they? They can literally just provide weapons and equipment to those Ukrainians who you claim don’t really want to fight. They seem pretty fu***** motivated to fight their invaders to me. Russia can play the long game and eventually claim a “win”, but we all know they truly can’t win now.
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Two things in this particular situation can be true at the same time. On the one hand, it is obvious that The West was wanting to provoke a response from Russia in this area. However, in the weeks leading up to February 24th, I was placed in the position of either believing what the Biden Administration was saying or what 3elensky was saying. 3elensky in the weeks leading up to this was downplaying the possibility of anything happening. I made the mistake of taking 3elensky at his word. I'm human
I can't get everything right. However, once it was clear that the conflict was on, it still didn't change the fact that the conditions were in place for Russia to eventually act after 8 years of conflict in Donbas. So I got the timing wrong, but I knew that at some point, it could likely be a dust up if The West continued to poke around.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You're correct. But that doesn't mean that you get to discount the shelling that the Kyiv regime applied to the people of Donbas. No different than what the US did with the the Americans living in Santa Ana's Texas.
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I'm thinking that went both ways, granted if I recall correctly Ukraine did fire the first salvo.

If you think that Putin will stop with Ukraine I think you are sorely mistaken. He will set his sights on another European country in the future. That may be delayed though if he gets too badly beat up in Ukraine.
 
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615vols said:
What narrative have I changed? Go ahead and point it out. Meanwhile, you started by claiming there would be no invasion, then later went on to post that the invasion was clearly building for years. You claimed that Russia was being precise and strategic in their attacks to avoid killing civilians and the destruction of civilian infrastructure, all as we watch them lay waste to entire apartment,condo complexes, attack malls, schools, see the raw footage of executions of civilians with zip tied hands behind their backs. You scoff at the idea of superior western weapons making any difference, meanwhile the western weapons are clearly making a huge difference. You blame the west for the situation, make excuses for the invader, and quite frankly spout literal nonsense. You have a reputation on this board for being blinded and biased on anything related to Russia for a reason. As far as why the United States isn’t jumping in to fight, why the hell would they? They can literally just provide weapons and equipment to those Ukrainians who you claim don’t really want to fight. They seem pretty fu***** motivated to fight their invaders to me. Russia can play the long game and eventually claim a “win”, but we all know they truly can’t win now.
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Also, it should be pretty clear by now that the Russians are not indiscriminately bombing the s^^t out of Ukraine but instead are being as surgical as possible. Kyiv and most other towns outside of Donbas are still standing and have not had their civil services hampered outside of a few rail lines going to Western Ukraine/ Poland. The Russians are fighting street by street combat going after Ukrainian soldiers. There is no incentive for them to want to bomb the place to oblivion because they will be responsible for rebuilding and do not have a desire to wipe out the civil population. The Ukrainians/Kyiv regime is the one that is attacking Donbas indiscriminately. You are just too brainwashed and ignorant to understand WTF is going on because you have a bias/hatred of Russians for some reason.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I'm thinking that went both ways, granted if I recall correctly Ukraine did fire the first salvo.

If you think that Putin will stop with Ukraine I think you are sorely mistaken. He will set his sights on another European country in the future. That may be delayed though if he gets too badly beat up in Ukraine.
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If Lithuania or Poland get anymore aggressive than they have been during this conflict, you may be correct.

But now, let's step aside for a moment and think about what you are suggesting. On the one hand, we are to believe that Russia is struggling and is getting their azzes handed to them by Ukraine... so much so that they will eventually loose the will to fight. But on the other hand, after they achieve this Pyrrhic victory, they will be emboldened enough to where they will take on another conflict. Which is it? Are the Russians so inept right now that they are retreating to Vladivostok? Or are they gaining ground and now beginning to be a concern for other countries?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If Lithuania or Poland get anymore aggressive than they have been during this conflict, you may be correct.

But now, let's step aside for a moment and think about what you are suggesting. On the one hand, we are to believe that Russia is struggling and is getting their azzes handed to them by Ukraine... so much so that they will eventually loose the will to fight. But on the other hand, after they achieve this Pyrrhic victory, they will be emboldened enough to where they will take on another conflict. Which is it? Are the Russians so inept right now that they are retreating to Vladivostok? Or are they gaining ground and now beginning to be a concern for other countries?
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If this war grinds on and on an attack by Russia on another country become less likely, or gets significantly delayed.
 
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VolStrom said:
I absolutely agree Ras. The woke west can't even supply basic needs for food, power and safety for their own people anymore, much less help Ukraine militarily. We are woke enough to have ruined the ability to be a world power anymore.
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What planet do you live on?

We can provide everything we need. Whether people can afford it is another matter.
 
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Probably gonna see more and more of this since Russia sucks at logistics and maintenance.

Failed barrel of Russian self-propelled guns 2S7M Malka

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Also, if Russia is a paper tiger, then why don't we see a willingness by any of these NATO countries to put boots on the ground? Not even the US. Just hide behind the Ukrainians and let them get ground down by the inept and backwards Russians.
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What has Russia done to anyone other than Ukraine in this conflict to justify acts of war?
 
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