War in Ukraine

[AM64]

Your anti-colonialists at work.

Russia and by extension the Soviets and the current Chinese aren't and never have helped out foreign countries for altruistic purposes; it's always been to grab resources, grab geography for strategic purposes. or to foment disorder and revolution in the hope that the rest of the world will have to sink resources there to minimize bloodshed. Sino/Soviet "anti colonialism" is simply reverse enslavement - just a different proprietor, and "wars of liberation" are just a lie.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Poland tells its citizens to flee Belarus NOW and carries out checks on its bomb shelters after Lukashenko announces 'joint military task force' with Russia and Putin blitzes Ukraine with missiles, killing at least 11

Poland has told its citizens to leave Belarus and is carrying out checks on its bomb shelters after its dictator Alexander Lukashenko announced a 'joint military task force' with Russia amid today's missile attacks on Ukraine.

Putin let rip with 83 missiles at what he claimed were military, energy and communications networks in Ukraine. Kyiv said the missiles actually hit power plants and busy civilian areas in major cities, killing at least 11 and wounding scores more. It was Russia's largest single barrage since the opening day of the war.

Belarus dictator Alexander Lukashenko announced Russian units would combine with his own and deploy to the Ukraine border, accusing Kyiv of planning to attack with help from allies Poland and Lithuania.

Warsaw has said Polish citizens in Belarus should leave the country as relations between the two countries have become increasingly tense, in part due to the war in Ukraine.

GRAPHIC PHOTOS:
Poland tells its citizens to flee Belarus NOW as Putin blitzes Ukraine | Daily Mail Online

 

[LSU-SIU]

They shot off around 50 of their new hyper sonic cruise missiles from strategic bombers is my understanding.

Although there could have been hyper sonic used, its looked like from video that they were cruise missiles, of course, some were fairly long range.

The purpose was to take out infrastructure and some of it was decent range, so it probably did cost a few bones. Its war, no reason to save it.

What Russia has to do is keep hitting the infrastructure, as you have to keep hitting as they rebuild. I would just take out the whole grid nation wide but that is just me. He might later regard not just taking the whole grid down from the start and send them back to the Dark Ages. I would have. People don't do well without electricity and food.

 

[DonjoVol]

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You are aware JWs have been banned from 20 plus countries. So this is nothing new. Although it's not something I agree with.

I bet JWs wouldn't be too welcome in Israel, Turkey or Saudi Arabia. Who the U.S. are allies with.

 

[LSU-SIU]

double post sorry. Deleted.

 

[tvolsfan]

It's actually quite rare in most countries to get banned from social media or face penalties from your own government for reporting on the war in Ukraine. The UK government put sanctions on one of its own citizens, Graham Phillips, for his journalism in Ukraine. Germany sentenced a German citizen, Alina Lipp, to three years in prison, seized her assets, and even seized her father's assets because she interviewed locals in a war zone. The Ukrainian and Russian governments have arrested and killed numerous journalists. In the USA and on American media platforms, you have to stick to the US government's narrative on the war in Ukraine or get banned the same way even doctors and virologists got censored and banned for providing counterpoints to the US government's narrative on the coronavirus. And this isn't the first war where people have faced punishments over journalism. Our government has gone to great lengths to imprison Julian Assange for journalism regarding the war in Iraq when, love him or hate him, nobody can say he didn't present only the facts. A lot of people should've gone to prison after he exposed so many criminals, but the American government goes after him instead and he's currently in a British prison.

I asked for some examples of the countries where “freedom of the press is actually practiced” where Russia, Ukraine, and the US look equally bad. Try not to dodge again.

Also, there are pro Russian narratives all over social media. Not really sure why you tried to argue that.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

 

[apevol]

You are aware JWs have been banned from 20 plus countries. So this is nothing new. Although it's not something I agree with.

I bet JWs wouldn't be too welcome in Israel, Turkey or Saudi Arabia. Who the U.S. are allies with.

The point is, that with the many things to question Putin over, you trot the Jehovah's witnesses out as some token offering to the gods of fairness as if it would make you seem rational. It doesn't.

 

[volgr]

Nobody gives a **** how many civilians die.

There are a few of us who do, but no, there arent many of us.

 

[LSU-SIU]

There are a few of us who do, but no, there arent many of us.

The big players in the Ukraine don't give two ***** what happens to any of them, and I agree very few otherwise.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

 

[apevol]

There are a few of us who do, but no, there arent many of us.

You most certainly do not. You made that clear early on.

 

[volgr]

Release the kraken on these mofos. ATACMS, cyber attacks, etc.

This is what will get us into trouble. Most Americans are so easily duped by social media and so prone to quick overreaction and escalation, that a false flag would be too easy to pull off.

 

[NorthDallas40]

holy **** you're clueless

Welcome to enlightenment. There is a reason he’s Curly.

 

[volgr]

I'll give Ritter credit, he was right back in early summer when he warned about Ukraine training a large group of troops for a counter offensive. We'll see if he ends up being right here, but I would say this would be worst case scenario for Ukraine and completely plausible considering what Russia is sending into Ukraine and how they will no longer be constrained by the SMO.

 

[volgr]

Yeah, our foreign policy elite have been wrong for decades...but, we got it right this time in backing Ukraine and provoking Russia. This time it's going to work, says the insane.

 

[JuicyBrucey]

I asked for some examples of the countries where “freedom of the press is actually practiced” where Russia, Ukraine, and the US look equally bad. Try not to dodge again.

Take this article about the Bucha massacre, for example. Guerra en Ucrania: Rusia asegura que las imágenes de la matanza de Bucha son un montaje | Internacional | EL PAÍS (elpais.com)

It's about as even-handed and unbiased as you're going to find regarding the war in Ukraine, which is surprising since it was published in the EU. But it also reports that the Russian government alleges the massacre was staged. The article states only facts: Russian forces are in Ukraine and the Russian government says the massacre in Bucha was staged by the Ukrainians. The article gave no opinions.

The American equivalent would say something like, "The INVADER committed a HOLOCAUST in Bucha!!! Today, the Russian LIARS LIED and SLANDERED the HERO Zelensky by saying it was staged!!!"

A really good pre-war article is this one that came out in January predicting a war between the USA and Russia. This journalist really nailed it. ¿Guerra entre Rusia y Estados Unidos? (lavanguardia.com)

It discussed Putin taking over the Crimea being one motivation of the conflict, but it also discussed the Americans expanding NATO, and even mentioned how the USA didn't want the Nordstream 2 pipeline to come online even though it benefited the Germans and Russians. And how these conflicted interests could cause exactly what we've been watching since February. It mainly focuses on the USA vs. Russia as Ukraine is merely the porkchop the two big dogs are fighting over.

Meanwhile, in the USA, the mainstream news articles are limited to op-ed pieces parroting the government.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Pretty much how I see things. At this point fairly moot, but a good run down, imo. Its really up to the Europeans to stop this **** but its a tough choice now as the United States has completely ****ed them as well.

Unless someone comes up from the West side and says enough of this ****, hard to see how complete destruction of the Ukraine doesn't continue for some time.

 

[DonjoVol]

The point is, that with the many things to question Putin over, you trot the Jehovah's witnesses out as some token offering to the gods of fairness as if it would make you seem rational. It doesn't.

You do realize I don't buy the criticism you and others direct towards Russia. Considering many of your pals especially believe mandatory vaccinations and suppressing free speech are okay in this country.

Plus what you accuse Putin and Russia of doing is going on over in Ukraine and other countries the U.S. is allied with.

So you and others can blah blah blah, whatabout, and non sequitur all day long. That's what you all are going to do anyways.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Uh, this is a change in tone. This is not normal.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

I believe Russia might have (MIGHT HAVE) launched a night raid of exploding drones made in iran. I saw a post or two about that.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You do realize I don't buy the criticism you and others direct towards Russia. Considering many of your pals especially believe mandatory vaccinations and suppressing free speech are okay in this country.

Plus what you accuse Putin and Russia of doing is going on over in Ukraine and other countries the U.S. is allied with.

So you and others can blah blah blah, whatabout, and non sequitur all day long. That's what you all are going to do anyways.

Of course you don’t buy it Curly you can’t get off Pootin’s sack long enough to even think about it. And absolutely none of the people you are interacting with believe what you’re asserting so deflection denied. And you continue to show you have zero ability to identify or even parse logical fallacies

 

[volgr]

Pretty much how I see things. At this point fairly moot, but a good run down, imo. Its really up to the Europeans to stop this **** but its a tough choice now as the United States has completely ****ed them as well.

Unless someone comes up from the West side and says enough of this ****, hard to see how complete destruction of the Ukraine doesn't continue for some time.

This is why I label the West a death cult. It's not just the fact we havent advocated peace but have gone out of our way to almost ensure the worst possible outcome in Ukraine is achieved. Our Fed Govt is corrupt to its core.

 

[apevol]

You do realize I don't buy the criticism you and others direct towards Russia. Considering many of your pals especially believe mandatory vaccinations and suppressing free speech are okay in this country.

Plus what you accuse Putin and Russia of doing is going on over in Ukraine and other countries the U.S. is allied with.

So you and others can blah blah blah, whatabout, and non sequitur all day long. That's what you all are going to do anyways.

The fact that he set himself up as president for life alone is enough to criticize. But nope. Not for you. Goose stepping must be addictive

 

[LSU-SIU]

This is why I label the West a death cult. It's not just the fact we havent advocated peace but have gone out of our way to almost ensure the worst possible outcome in Ukraine is achieved. Our Fed Govt is corrupt to its core.

The white nations at this point are more or less members of a suicide pact on multiple fronts.