War in Ukraine

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Volsdeep4 said:
That is why we are sending equipment to Ukraine. When these systems fail we go back to manufacture and say fix this. Then field test. But without war no way to truly test these things. Everything fails at first, which is one of the many reasons we are propping up Ukraine.
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So basically, you are admitting that not only are the Ukrainians cannon fodder, but they are test dummies for the MIC. Giving them outdated or non-functioning weapons in order to field test them.
 
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Orangeburst said:
In fairness, the system deployed in Saudi Arabia — the Patriot Advanced Capability-2 or PAC-2 — is not well designed to intercept the Burkan-2 missiles that the Houthis are firing at Riyadh.
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Burkan-2 - Wikipedia
The Burkan-2H (Arabic H-بركان ٢), or Volcano-2H (also spelled as Borkan H2 and Burqan 2H[ is a mobile short-range ballistic missile used by the Houthis militants in Yemen. The Volcano H-2 was first launched in July 2017. It is related to the Scud missile family.
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From the mouthpiece of the Council on Foreign Relations (Foreign Policy Magazine)... not exactly RT or TASS. Lets see what the CFR says about SCUDs vs The Patriot Missiles.

Patriot Missiles Are Made in America and Fail Everywhere.

But I am deeply skeptical that Patriot has ever intercepted a long-range ballistic missile in combat — at the least, I have yet to see convincing unclassified evidence of a successful Patriot intercept. During the 1991 Gulf War, the public was led to believe the that the Patriot had near-perfect performance, intercepting 45 of 47 Scud missiles. The U.S. Army later revised that estimate down to about 50 percent — and even then, it expressed “higher” confidence in only about one-quarter of the cases. A pesky Congressional Research Service employee noted that if the Army had correctly applied its own assessment methodology consistently, the number would be far lower. (Reportedly that number was one — as in one lousy Scud missile downed.)
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So basically, you are admitting that not only are the Ukrainians cannon fodder, but they are test dummies for the MIC. Giving them outdated or non-functioning weapons in order to field test them.
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Well yeah and nah. Yeah, the USA really doesn’t care about the corrupt Ukraine. But a war against one of our rivals to keep them down and from advancing right now yeah.
The USA did not invade Ukraine. So we are giving them more advanced weapons than they had. We get to test our weapons in real battle and they have upgrades in technology based weapons. Win for us and Ukraine.
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
Well yeah and nah. Yeah, the USA really doesn’t care about the corrupt Ukraine. But a war against one of our rivals to keep them down and from advancing right now yeah.
The USA did not invade Ukraine. So we are giving them more advanced weapons than they had. We get to test our weapons in real battle and they have upgrades in technology based weapons. Win for us and Ukraine.
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He's been told this ad nauseum. He hears what he wants to hear and then bores us with the same retread platitudes and virtue signaling.
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
Well yeah and nah. Yeah, the USA really doesn’t care about the corrupt Ukraine. But a war against one of our rivals to keep them down and from advancing right now yeah.
The USA did not invade Ukraine. So we are giving them more advanced weapons than they had. We get to test our weapons in real battle and they have upgrades in technology based weapons. Win for us and Ukraine.
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The Russians are not being kept down nor stopped from advancing.

And how is it a win for Ukraine when their country is being bombed and they are losing men just for the US to test weapons and maintain a Cold War ideology?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WTF happened to all of the weapons we gave them over the 8 years prior?
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weren't a whole lot. from 2014 to 2018 we SOLD them at most 100 million dollars of weapons. Not a whole lot. Trump in 2018 was the first time we GAVE them any weapons.

hard to compare all of that to the crazy elite super MIC in Russia going for decades and decades.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The Russians are not being kept down now stopped from advancing.

And how is it a win for Ukraine when their country is being bombed and they are losing men just for the US to test weapons and maintain a Cold War ideology?
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They are being kept down from a standpoint of all their focus is on a war. Their economy is being stood up by China and Iran. As the US economy is being propped up by the war.
The same way China passed the US up. We focused on war on terror and they took the steps needed while we were occupied.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Trump was the first to offer lethal aid and that was minimal and quite late. AFU was majorly outgunned at the start of this and they still stymied the initial invasion by your incompetent invading orc buddies Moe.
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And to think all it really took was to blow that bridge or Russia would have won this thing in a few weeks.
 
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Volsdeep4 said:
They are being kept down from a standpoint of all their focus is on a war. Their economy is being stood up by China and Iran. As the US economy is being propped up by the war.
The same way China passed the US up. We focused on war on terror and they took the steps needed while we were occupied.
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The US is being propped up on counterfeiting/money printing.
 
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