War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

an analyst on Fareed posted by Velo thinks this stalemates for years as neither side has advantage
probably accurate

The Kyiv regime can't win on the battlefield so they'll resort to ISIS terrorist attacks. For example, the bombing of journalists (Dugina and Tatartsky), imprisoning/ disappearing journalists, and bombing infrastructure (Kerch Bridge 2Xs and Nordstream). Incidentally, one of the things that I had forgotten and that no one speaks about regarding the 1st Kerch Bridge attack is that there are doubts whether the driver of that truck knew they were carrying explosives. So they threw away the life of an innocent person fir what amounted to a 48 hour news cycle win.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Exactly, but this isn't and certainly never started as a battle of equals. Ukraine would have had essentially no air power at all if not flying planes left over from the USSR days while Russia benefitted by being the major arms supplier for the USSR. No news there ... just that Ukraine like all the other old USSR captives were left with the ball in very risky positions and facing a larger and better equipped opponent. but Ukraine didn't give up, and they've at least held their own once on their feet.

They were doomed to lose and the ambitions of the West to drain Russia have backfired in spectacular fashion.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

wait until all this is over and reconstruction welfare starts
of course the virtue signal supporters of Ukraine that fly the flag and have the sticker on their vehicle could send their own money..sure that would raise a lot

Russia is going to pay the reconstruction costs for Novorossiya. Poland and Lithuania will be left paying the tab for Lviv region if they can't get the EU to pick up the tab, Hungary will take care of Transcarpathia, Romania will be responsible for its claims and NATO/EU will be left holding the bag for whatever is left in Central Ukraine... if the Russians don't want it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This may be a longer term big deal if the grain deal isn't resolved. Ukraine helps feed a lot of people.

One more thing about the grain deal. As I said, a good portion of the Ukrainian grain was going to Europe to drive down food prices there. But what that ended up doing is it drove down prices for farmers in some of these EU countries.

Angry Farmers Pierce Europe’s United Front on Ukraine

After more than a year of surprisingly solid European unity in support of Ukraine, grains of discord are piling up in the barn of Robert Vieru, a Romanian farmer with 500 tons of wheat and 250 tons of sunflower seeds now sitting unsold because of cut-price Ukrainian competition.

A glut of Ukrainian cereals and other produce has nearly halved the value for the results of Mr. Vieru’s labors and left farmers across Eastern and Central Europe — and their governments, most of which face elections this year or next — caught between solidarity with Ukraine and their own survival.


'Not acceptable': EU decries bans on tariff-free Ukrainian grain

These four member states (Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Bulgaria) have repeatedly complained about the influx of low-cost Ukrainian cereals, arguing the massive arrival of produce is filling up warehouses, distorting the market and depressing prices for local producers.

"We are aware of Poland and Hungary’s announcements regarding the ban on imports of grain and other agricultural products from Ukraine. We are requesting further information from the relevant authorities to be able to assess the measures," said a spokesperson of the European Commission.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You're right; there's nothing earth shattering or new in that. Russia just has limited sea access, and Putin seems to be more interested in taking what he wants by force than working with neighbors.

Also, the Russians have tried for 30+ years to not have NATO move east, not interfere in Georgia and Ukraine, hold up the Minsk Agreements and agree to the security plan they offered in December 2021. The Russians have exhausted every option for peace and to work with the West. You know you are lying when you say this.

 

[NorthDallas40]

They were doomed to lose and the ambitions of the West to drain Russia have backfired in spectacular fashion.

Did you end that stupid ass post with a maniacal laugh out loud to yourself?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Also, the Russians have tried for 30+ years to not have NATO move east, not interfere in Georgia and Ukraine, hold up the Minsk Agreements and agree to the security plan they offered in December 2021. The Russians have exhausted every option for peace and to work with the West. You know you are lying when you say this.

LMFAO the truly hilarious part is you believe all this tripe to be true Moe!

 

[clarksvol00]

The Kyiv regime can't win on the battlefield so they'll resort to ISIS terrorist attacks. For example, the bombing of journalists (Dugina and Tatartsky), imprisoning/ disappearing journalists, and bombing infrastructure (Kerch Bridge 2Xs and Nordstream). Incidentally, one of the things that I had forgotten and that no one speaks about regarding the 1st Kerch Bridge attack is that there are doubts whether the driver of that truck knew they were carrying explosives. So they threw away the life of an innocent person fir what amounted to a 48 hour news cycle win.

Seems like the Putin regime can't win this thing on the battlefield.

 

[MontyPython]

so in your opinion simply trading with a country is intervention? Thats a pretty extreme opinion to take imo.

I don't consider trade to be intervention. and your provided definition doesn't include trade, so you need to try again stretch armstrong.

Heh. So when Russia provided nuke missiles to Cuba you were OK with that.

That's what I thought.

 

[KB5252]

The Kyiv regime can't win on the battlefield so they'll resort to ISIS terrorist attacks. For example, the bombing of journalists (Dugina and Tatartsky), imprisoning/ disappearing journalists, and bombing infrastructure (Kerch Bridge 2Xs and Nordstream). Incidentally, one of the things that I had forgotten and that no one speaks about regarding the 1st Kerch Bridge attack is that there are doubts whether the driver of that truck knew they were carrying explosives. So they threw away the life of an innocent person fir what amounted to a 48 hour news cycle win.

Sounds a lot like what Russia is doing as well doesn't it?

I guess this means they can't win either.

 

[KB5252]

They were doomed to lose and the ambitions of the West to drain Russia have backfired in spectacular fashion.

Has it now..... Please back this up with something other than your opinion.

 

[Volsdeep4]

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[evillawyer]

Despite all his rage against South Africa, Putin's still a rat in a cage. Enjoy never ever leaving Russia, as*hole.

 

[evillawyer]

A true man of the people. He gets their suffering.

 

[evillawyer]

Damn @Rasputin_Vol, your boys sure taught that parking lot a lesson.

 

[LouderVol]

There was no crisis with Crimea until the Obama administration plotted the Coup in 2014.

which is why the Yanukovych ran on a campaign of closer ties to the west, then once elected negotiated deeply with the west to increase their access to Ukraine's markets. and then literally the week of signing that deal, crawfished on the deal, and signed a new trade deal with Russia that specifically limited the west and have never once been mentioned in public. This then lead to nationwide protests against his actions, even in Donbas there were anti-Yanukovych protests. and then the "coup" involved Yanukovych SIGNING the agreement that would have held a special election for his presidency. He was then "rescued" by Russia and taken to a Russian mansion. and then continuing to follow their Constitution and impeached his treacherous butt.

 

[LouderVol]

The Kremlin regime can't win on the battlefield so they'll resort to ISIS terrorist attacks. For example, the deaths of about a dozen prominent anti-war Russians via defenestration, imprisoning/ disappearing journalists (Murza), and bombing infrastructure (Ukrainian grain ports, schools, malls, apartments, civilian train yards in Lviv, and across the country). Incidentally, one of the things that I had forgotten and that no one speaks about regarding the 1st grain protection deal Russia signed is that they continued to bomb ports and ships several days after signing guaranteeing their safety. Then you have all of the videoed torture, videos of different Russian forces accusing each other of the various war crimes (Wagner accusing the MoD, the MoD accusing Wagener), you also had the deserters giving first hand tales of them being ordered to do those war crimes, forcing their own civilians to flee their draconian conscription efforts.

fyp.

your OP was funny coming from the guy who has been spouting copium about Russia planning to win this long war of attrition as if that means they were actually winning.

 

[LouderVol]

One more thing about the grain deal. As I said, a good portion of the Ukrainian grain was going to Europe to drive down food prices there. But what that ended up doing is it drove down prices for farmers in some of these EU countries.

not arguing your point because its simple economics that you think some type of gotcha.

but how is this a "but" statement?

 

[tvolsfan]

Despite all his rage against South Africa, Putin's still a rat in a cage. Enjoy never ever leaving Russia, as*hole.

More and more fellow dictators are turning on him.

 

[LouderVol]

You know your economy is great when you have to nationalize multiple billion dollar (88 billion ruble) foreign assets every month to balance the books.

Russia seizes control of Danone, Carlsberg assets | CNN Business

So these companies were trying to sell their assets to Russian firms, or foreign companies remaining in Russia. But they were held up by Russian regulators. And then Putin decides to swoop in and nationalize them with a pen rather than a check during the long delay. How convenient.

 

[LouderVol]

Also, the Russians have tried for 30+ years to not have NATO move east, not interfere in Georgia and Ukraine, hold up the Minsk Agreements and agree to the security plan they offered in December 2021. The Russians have exhausted every option for peace and to work with the West. You know you are lying when you say this.

every option of peace, except to be peaceful themselves?

what you mean is that for 30 years the ex-Warsaw pact nations have told Russia to get stuffed, which has triggered their butthurt and made their bully nature come out.

what about the all the actual diplomacy Russia did sign that they violated? They dropped the Budapest Memorandum. They have had to default twice on their CTSO with Armenia. They violated their CIS and OSCE agreements with Georgia. CIS established the borders of South Ossentia and Abkazia and Georgia after the first conflict in 1991/2, and the OSCE was supposed to see the Russian troops leave their bases in Georgia. seems like they would be a lot more peaceful if they held up their end of the bargain.

 

[Septic]

You know your economy is great when you have to nationalize multiple billion dollar (88 billion ruble) foreign assets every month to balance the books.

Russia seizes control of Danone, Carlsberg assets | CNN Business

So these companies were trying to sell their assets to Russian firms, or foreign companies remaining in Russia. But they were held up by Russian regulators. And then Putin decides to swoop in and nationalize them with a pen rather than a check during the long delay. How convenient.

RIP foreign investments.

<inert Tyrone Biggums sanctions meme here>

 

[tvolsfan]

every option of peace, except to be peaceful themselves?

what you mean is that for 30 years the ex-Warsaw pact nations have told Russia to get stuffed, which has triggered their butthurt and made their bully nature come out.

what about the all the actual diplomacy Russia did sign that they violated? They dropped the Budapest Memorandum. They have had to default twice on their CTSO with Armenia. They violated their CIS and OSCE agreements with Georgia. CIS established the borders of South Ossentia and Abkazia and Georgia after the first conflict in 1991/2, and the OSCE was supposed to see the Russian troops leave their bases in Georgia. seems like they would be a lot more peaceful if they held up their end of the bargain.

The only diplomacy they seem interested in is making sure the countries they want to control don’t look to the west.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[LouderVol]

Heh. So when Russia provided nuke missiles to Cuba you were OK with that.

That's what I thought.

considering I was a twinkle in my father's eye at the time I would say I didn't have much of an opinion.

and I know you don't have a real argument when you have to start reusing one's Ras has already used and had to drop.

you do realize Russia put nukes in Cuba due to our intervention in other nations aligned with Russia right? ah the consequences of our own actions, if only someone had foreseen the dangers and preached some route that would have avoided escalating and involving ourselves in minor conflicts around the world into a crisis on our door step.

seems like the Cuban Missile Crisis is a pretty good argument AGAINST our own interventionalism.

"Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?"

people keep saying the FF couldn't have foreseen X, Y, and Z, but their words of wisdom and advice are still dead on regardless of the time applied.