War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Saying the quiet part out loud. They DGAF about the Ukrainians. They are the proxy battering ram used for US hegemonic interests. It is obvious that Lindsey Graham's sentiments are embraced by an overwhelming majority of the warmongers. Fight to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.

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ah yes, the Washington Post, long heralded as the official mouth piece for what goes unsaid in the halls of DC.

I swear you have to turn everything into a conspiracy instead of accepting at face value that its propaganda to sell compliance, a well established truth.

and its so nice for Russia to play right along with these US hegemonic interests. That's one of my favorite things about your convoluted theories, you completely miss the role Russia is playing in all these nefarious plots. All it would take to end the "US hegemonic interests" would be for Russia to not invade Ukraine. but instead Russia just goes along with it for some strange reason you will never define.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
West knew Ukraine wasn’t ready for counteroffensive – Wall Street Journal

The US mistakenly thought that Kiev would make up for its lack of arms and training with “courage and resourcefulness”

Western military officials knew earlier this year that Ukraine lacked the supplies and training to launch a successful counteroffensive against Russian forces, but allowed Kiev to launch its disastrous operation regardless, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday.
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"allowed" not "ordered". Which is it Flip Flop?

just curious how the WSJ says we would have stopped this offensive, if we hadn't allowed it?
 
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Caculator said:
"Think about all the Ukrainians and Russians dying on the battlefield, thanks to Biden propping up Zelensky to keep the cover-up of his bribes going."
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you think who ever the Russian's put in charge would have been any different? The first Biden/Obama bribes were to/from/laundered via the Russian turncoat. they don't care which side they work with, they just want to launder money.

and this also doesn't explain why Russia invaded. Is the argument Russia invaded to end the Biden bribery scheme?
 
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LouderVol said:
I am wondering about drones, kamikaze or otherwise. Instead of using a tank with flails at the front or a big dozer, just fly some drones dragging a chain/something heavy enough to detonate the charges. depending on how long the chain is the drone may be able to survive several blasts. and you are operating it in no mans land so enemy anti-drone efforts shouldn't be very effective. or if you can give the drones some type of claw so they could go pick them up. you could potentially "return to sender" at that point, I doubt mines handle being dropped from even 20 feet peacefully. or at the very least a drone with essentially a rake that could drag mines out of a path. you would lose a ton from explosions or just getting caught in some field debris or getting tangled in the ground somehow.

I am also wondering about counter mining. dig below the mines, and either blow them up or displace them somehow. again going back to WW1. fixed static defense create different issues than we are used to dealing with, but its not like we haven't dealt with these issues in previous wars.
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Interesting thought since drones have been used for almost everything else in this war. Most solutions seem to be about clearing lanes which just ones paths for the supporting artillery to home in on. There needs to be a solution for detonating minefields all at once. Prevention would be even better, but nobody seems to have a key for that either.

Exactly; minefields have been around a long time; they are effective, and there don't seem to be any good answers ... in over a hundred years or so of dealing with them.
 
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BeardedVol said:
And?

Since 1999, we've given Israel roughly the same amount, and they haven't been under a 9 year long invasion by Russia.

You seem to have a poor understanding of what makes up the 'military aid' that the US has sent to Ukraine.

Maybe you should educate yourself before you post again.
How Much Aid Has the U.S. Sent Ukraine? Here Are Six Charts.

Just a suggestion.
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While I haven't seen anything about it lately, some "Ukrainian" spending is actually right here in the US and some more not even in Ukraine. Bureaucracies always find ways to add and to spend funding budgeted for other things. Overhead, carrying charges, etc. DC is huge leach or a true swamp sucking in any funding and manpower it can get its filthy hands on.
 
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AM64 said:
Interesting thought since drones have been used for almost everything else in this war. Most solutions seem to be about clearing lanes which just ones paths for the supporting artillery to home in on. There needs to be a solution for detonating minefields all at once. Prevention would be even better, but nobody seems to have a key for that either.

Exactly; minefields have been around a long time; they are effective, and there don't seem to be any good answers ... in over a hundred years or so of dealing with them.
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I think you could use the drones to fly along the mine fields, detonating long stretches, instead of across the short dimension. It means a lot of drones or replaceable chains/whatever. but that seems far better than just driving into them as they are now.

or could they go James Bond and use hover craft to float over top the minefields?

I said it earlier, but I think they (Ukrainians) should be looking for long term, albeit slow, solutions. I feel right now they are looking for the quick, one size fits all solution. I think they have to make systematic small gains across wide fronts. Would take months, but eventually you get a big push when enough has been cleared. Instead of attacking deep, attack wide.
 
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Septic said:
This is being fiscally conservative.

Rotating our stock by sending the munitions and hardware downrange for the exact use for whence it was designed? All the while not having our soldiers getting shot at and collecting real world intel on a Russia's military capability? Hell yeah. Easy call.
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Funny how people understand that food, batteries, and anything else of a chemical nature has a shelf life, but munitions are somehow different. I once spent a very long afternoon on a range firing an anti tank rocket launcher (the old bazooka style). The weapon and the rounds were old, and the number of misfires was astounding ... it was a very very long afternoon - the fun part wore off after about 30 minutes. I was unfortunate enough to be on the range when the rest of the stock needed to be used up. We are going to dispose of a lot of munitions and weapons, and what better way to do it than for something worthwhile ... and it gets written on for a cause.
 
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LouderVol said:
"allowed" not "ordered". Which is it Flip Flop?

just curious how the WSJ says we would have stopped this offensive, if we hadn't allowed it?
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Don't forget the howling when Ukraine backed off after seeing the problems with the offensive. The anti Ukraine crowd can't figure out if they want to be more offended by Ukraine backing away from a largely unsolvable problem or just wasting people and equipment like the Russians do.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think you could use the drones to fly along the mine fields, detonating long stretches, instead of across the short dimension. It means a lot of drones or replaceable chains/whatever. but that seems far better than just driving into them as they are now.

or could they go James Bond and use hover craft to float over top the minefields?

I said it earlier, but I think they (Ukrainians) should be looking for long term, albeit slow, solutions. I feel right now they are looking for the quick, one size fits all solution. I think they have to make systematic small gains across wide fronts. Would take months, but eventually you get a big push when enough has been cleared. Instead of attacking deep, attack wide.
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The problem I see is that the drones would need to be large to pull the weight necessary to trigger the mines, and the drones would probably be destroyed because of the blast ... if not directly then by the air pressure upsetting the flight control. That old "it's hard to stop a Trane" commercial comes to mind when talking minefields.
 
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Caculator said:
Gracious admission of defeated argument. TY
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You've won nothing except for own pat on the back. I said you sound like Putin, you asked which quote, I said take your pick.

Now you've crowned yourself champ.......... Good God you're a less self aware Ras...... Didn't think that was possible.
 
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AM64 said:
Funny how people understand that food, batteries, and anything else of a chemical nature has a shelf life, but munitions are somehow different. I once spent a very long afternoon on a range firing an anti tank rocket launcher (the old bazooka style). The weapon and the rounds were old, and the number of misfires was astounding ... it was a very very long afternoon - the fun part wore off after about 30 minutes. I was unfortunate enough to be on the range when the rest of the stock needed to be used up. We are going to dispose of a lot of munitions and weapons, and what better way to do it than for something worthwhile ... and it gets written on for a cause.
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You sound stupid and wicked. There are Ukrainian soldiers putting their lives on the line with the same old ammo you are laughing about is the same ammo they depend on to save them in a battle.

You DGAF about the Ukrainians.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You sound stupid and wicked. There are Ukrainian soldiers putting their lives on the line with the same old ammo you are laughing about that depend on that same ammo to save them in a battle.

You DGAF about the Ukrainians.
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You're suddenly concerned about he lives of Ukrainian soldiers?

You know what the best way to keep Ukrainian soldiers safe is?

For Russia to go home and stop killing them
 
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AM64 said:
Funny how people understand that food, batteries, and anything else of a chemical nature has a shelf life, but munitions are somehow different. I once spent a very long afternoon on a range firing an anti tank rocket launcher (the old bazooka style). The weapon and the rounds were old, and the number of misfires was astounding ... it was a very very long afternoon - the fun part wore off after about 30 minutes. I was unfortunate enough to be on the range when the rest of the stock needed to be used up. We are going to dispose of a lot of munitions and weapons, and what better way to do it than for something worthwhile ... and it gets written on for a cause.
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depends on how sensitive the mines are I guess. I know there are AT mines vs anti personnel mines, I am assuming both are a problem here. I would think they could rig up some type of fishing reel device. Drop a small/medium weight from a height to trigger the mine. you get gravity to do the work, and you remove the drone from danger. accuracy becomes an issue. Or similar idea when flying across, I don't see why you couldn't give it a pretty long line like 15 feet or longer. definitely wouldn't save all of them, but would give some chance for reusable without getting ridiculous with 50 foot lines or something.

could also pair some drones up to carrying a larger/heavier load, or drag something between them to sweep up the mines.
 
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LouderVol said:
depends on how sensitive the mines are I guess. I know there are AT mines vs anti personnel mines, I am assuming both are a problem here. I would think they could rig up some type of fishing reel device. Drop a small/medium weight from a height to trigger the mine. you get gravity to do the work, and you remove the drone from danger. accuracy becomes an issue. Or similar idea when flying across, I don't see why you couldn't give it a pretty long line like 15 feet or longer. definitely wouldn't save all of them, but would give some chance for reusable without getting ridiculous with 50 foot lines or something.

could also pair some drones up to carrying a larger/heavier load, or drag something between them to sweep up the mines.
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How about using AC 47's to cut a wide swath in minefields?
 
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