War in Ukraine

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theFallGuy said:
I don't support endless checks to Ukraine just because dude shows up in DC and asks no. Call that what you will. There is zero accountability to where this money is going I guarantee it
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Lol, zero accountability?

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www.hudson.org

The Top Myths about US Aid to Ukraine

View PDF Since Russia invaded Ukraine for the second time in eight years, Russian troops have ravaged Ukraine’s cities, raped its women, and stolen its children. Russian missiles and Iranian drones strike Ukrainian cities daily, often hitting civilian targets. Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine is...
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volgr said:
No. I am saying Ukraine would be wise to make peace with it's much larger neighbor, as Countries have done throughout history, as opposed to being enslaved to a Western Death Cult that only looks to exploit them through being a proxy that dies in advancing the West's agenda.
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It’s pretty obvious to anybody not a bald dwarf nut hugger they have no interest at being subjugated to the orcs anymore Larry. And that’s their choice.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Easy peasy, Russians go home, and there's peace

As long as Russians continue their invasion, they'll continue to die.

You pretending that Ukrainians have zero agency in defending their country from Russian aggression, is painfully stupid to read.
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As long as the West is using Ukraine as a proxy to threaten Russia, I doubt they will go home.
 
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evillawyer said:
Sure, Jan. I guess we've brainwashed nearly the entire country that overwhelmingly supports kicking Russia off their front lawn.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

Beyond the counteroffensive: 84% of Ukrainians are ready for a long war

84% of Ukrainians reject any compromise with Russia and are ready for a long war if necessary in order to fully de-occupy their country. Most simply see no middle ground between genocide and national survival, writes Peter Dickinson.
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Zelensky should hold an election and test the accuracy of your "poll" but unfortunately he cancelled elections.
 
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Where is Ukraine getting its aid from? As Zelensky faces battle to win further funding from countries, a look at which nations are handing over the most cash and weaponry to Ukraine​

Since the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Kyiv's allies have committed billions upon billions in military and humanitarian aid to help Ukrainian Armed Forces fight off Russian occupiers.

But as the war drags into its 19th month, President Volodymyr Zelensky is seemingly facing an uphill battle convincing both his neighbours and Western allies to continue apace.

The Biden administration's latest request for a fresh $24billion aid package is the subject of a bitter spending battle that could see Congress trigger a government shutdown with skeptical Republican lawmakers wary of sending yet more funds to Kyiv.

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www.dailymail.co.uk

Which nations are handing over the most cash and weaponry to Ukraine

As the war drags into its 19th month, President Volodymyr Zelensky is seemingly facing an uphill battle convincing both his neighbours and Western allies to continue apace.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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volgr said:
As long as the West is using Ukraine as a proxy to threaten Russia, I doubt they will go home.
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"The West" didn't illegally annex Crimea, and invade eastern Ukraine beginning in 2014.

No matter how much you want to pretend otherwise, Russia is the invader.

If Russians stay in Ukraine, then those Russians will die.
 
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BeardedVol said:
"The West" didn't illegally annex Crimea, and invade eastern Ukraine beginning in 2014.

No matter how much you want to pretend otherwise, Russia is the invader.

If Russians stay in Ukraine, then those Russians will die.
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You mean when Russia liberated a region that had been trying to hold a vote of independence? Yeah, real evil and weird how the people of Crimea not only didnt revolt against their "occupation" but embraced it.

You realize you look like a clown claiming Russia illegally annexed Crimea.
 
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volgr said:
You mean when Russia liberated a region that had been trying to hold a vote of independence? Yeah, real evil and weird how the people of Crimea not only didnt revolt against their "occupation" but embraced it.

You realize you look like a clown claiming Russia illegally annexed Crimea.
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Lol "liberated"...

Was that before or after they threatened Ukraine with a "pro-Russian insurgency" for even thinking of signing a trade agreement with the EU?
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www.theguardian.com

Ukraine's EU trade deal will be catastrophic, says Russia

Kremlin claims neighbouring state faces financial ruin and possible collapse if integration agreement goes ahead
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volgr said:
You realize you look like a clown claiming Russia illegally annexed Crimea.
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Ah yes, the referendum that required guns being put to people's heads to get them call for it.




The referendum that had two options

"Join Russia"
Or
"Leave Ukraine"

www.nytimes.com

2 Choices in Crimea Referendum, but Neither Is ‘No’ (Published 2014)

The ballot referendum will present two options for the region: joining Russia or increasing its autonomy within the Ukrainian government.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

The only clown here is you trying to convince people that Russia didn't invade Ukraine.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Ah yes, the referendum that required guns being put to people's heads to get them call for it.




The referendum that had two options

"Join Russia"
Or
"Leave Ukraine"

www.nytimes.com

2 Choices in Crimea Referendum, but Neither Is ‘No’ (Published 2014)

The ballot referendum will present two options for the region: joining Russia or increasing its autonomy within the Ukrainian government.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

The only clown here is you trying to convince people that Russia didn't invade Ukraine.
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Nothing you provided invalidates my points. Crimea is largely ethnic Russian and they had been trying to separate from Ukraine for years. At this point Russia cant allow Crimea independence because they would be immediately attacked by the west. The only realistic option was join Russia or leave Ukraine.
 
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volgr said:
Nothing you provided invalidates my points. Crimea is largely ethnic Russian and they had been trying to separate from Ukraine for years. At this point Russia cant allow Crimea independence because they would be immediately attacked by the west. The only realistic option was join Russia or leave Ukraine.
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Girkin putting guns to people's heads and the Russian MOD issuing citations for the return of Crimea, doesn't impact your "will of the people" nonsense?
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volgr said:
Nothing you provided invalidates my points. Crimea is largely ethnic Russian and they had been trying to separate from Ukraine for years. At this point Russia cant allow Crimea independence because they would be immediately attacked by the west. The only realistic option was join Russia or leave Ukraine.
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He made two posts that absolutely invalidated your “points” Larry 🤡
 
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