War in Ukraine

[LSU-SIU]

China appears to be arming both sides of the conflict...

China needs to get busy manufacturing, Russia put 12,000 tanks in the Ukraine. So, that means the Ukraine needs more more more drones to destroy 4800 or so remaining tanks.

When they get to 12,000 than the U.S. should give Russia some tanks to protect gas refineries from the Ukraine to counter the money they are giving the Ukraine that is being used to buy Chinese drones to blow up the gas refineries.

 

[LouderVol]

Its a simple observation, the Ukraine by their own numbers are kicking ass the world has never seen. I mean they must be all Rambos over there, I accept their version of the events. Who I am to argue with them?

The problem will naturally work itself out.

I'm not arguing about numbers or anything else, I accept as truth the Ukraine description of the situation.

I am very unclear as to what your problem is to be honest, the Ukrainians can put down 100,000 tanks destroy.... what I said still stands, if any thing it just makes it worse. Heck, put down 1 million tanks wherever they can find them, how does that help exactly?

Who am I to argue that they're the best Rambo/Terminators combos to ever exist? Cool, than this whole situation should resolve itself.

you still haven't answered where anyone said those numbers help/hurt anything related to the war. like I said you want to joust at windmills.

its simply reporting on some numbers. they could be real numbers, but I am assuming they are off. but I am not sure why you are so fixated on these particular numbers helping or hurting anything.

 

[LSU-SIU]

you still haven't answered where anyone said those numbers help/hurt anything related to the war. like I said you want to joust at windmills.

its simply reporting on some numbers. they could be real numbers, but I am assuming they are off. but I am not sure why you are so fixated on these particular numbers helping or hurting anything.

And all I said is how does it help?

If you don't wish to engage than don't, nobody is forcing to do anything.

Your fixation on me saying "how does that help" is perplexing, you are projecting.

I don't care if the numbers are real or fake, at the end of the day.... its stupid of the Ukrainians to post anything like that. (I'm just commenting on the stupidity of the releasing of the numbers by the Ukraine, yet, you somehow have some issue with it)

I have no problem with someone posting those numbers, I think its funny as hell. I say keep posting them, I can't wait till 20,000 Russian tanks are lost.

Here are some.

On another note, it really sounds like Macron is going to send troops especially if the $60b is approved. We'll see, about time something fun happens.

 

[LouderVol]

And all I said is how does it help?

If you don't wish to engage than don't, nobody is forcing to do anything.

Your fixation on me saying "how does that help" is perplexing, you are projecting.

I don't care if the numbers are real or fake, at the end of the day.... its stupid of the Ukrainians to post anything like that. (I'm just commenting on the stupidity of the releasing of the numbers by the Ukraine, yet, you somehow have some issue with it)

I have no problem with someone posting those numbers, I think its funny as hell. I say keep posting them, I can't wait till 20,000 Russian tanks are lost.

Here are some.

On another note, it really sounds like Macron is going to send troops especially if the $60b is approved. We'll see, about time something fun happens.

projecting what?

I started with a question. I asked where you got the assumption that those numbers are supposed to help.

Ukraine never said they help.
The Kiev Times or whatever never said they help.
the poster who posts it up everyday never said they help.
no one else but YOU in this thread said they help.

its a biased reporting of the numbers. just say you don't think they are right, and move on. you are trying to establish some motive to them that is not there, and never been claimed to be there.

 

[LSU-SIU]

projecting what?

I started with a question. I asked where you got the assumption that those numbers are supposed to help.

Ukraine never said they help.
The Kiev Times or whatever never said they help.
the poster who posts it up everyday never said they help.
no one else but YOU in this thread said they help.

its a biased reporting of the numbers. just say you don't think they are right, and move on. you are trying to establish some motive to them that is not there, and never been claimed to be there.

Huh.



Why beg and provide numbers that you don't need something? That was my comment, I never said they said that. Jesus.

They clearly don't need $60b or patriots as they are doing a kick ass job. If those are real numbers, cool, they can go enjoy their sovereignty and peace.

No, the numbers don't help them, of course they haven't figured out the numbers don't help.... they're morons which is why the world has selected them to be destroyed.

Anyone can post whatever numbers they want, I think its funny as ****.

 

[NorthDallas40]

US worried its drones failed to turn tide in Ukraine – WSJ

The WSJ noted that US companies still lack a significant presence in the first war where small drones are playing a critical role. US-made UAVs tend to be expensive, faulty and complicated to repair, say drone company executives, the Ukrainians on the front line, Ukrainian government officials and former US military officials.

Lacking solutions in the West, Ukraine has turned to cheaper Chinese products to supplement its drone arsenal.

Quote from Skydio Chief Executive Adam Bry: "The general reputation for every class of U.S. drone in Ukraine is that they don’t work as well as other systems."

So a satellite link controlled, remotely piloted UAV flown by rated pilots carrying precision guided strike weapons is more complicated and expensive than a one time use suicide drone made in China carrying a few pounds of explosive. News at 11

And again I thought you had me on ignore?

ETA: this is my shocked face that a US small drone supplier whose product is clearly crap is calling his competitors expensive and hard to maintain in order to hawk his crap disposable drone. I’ve never even heard of Skydio. He, like you, is doing an apples to palm trees technology comparison. But hey it’s how you roll!

 

[LSU-SIU]

US worried its drones failed to turn tide in Ukraine – WSJ

The WSJ noted that US companies still lack a significant presence in the first war where small drones are playing a critical role. US-made UAVs tend to be expensive, faulty and complicated to repair, say drone company executives, the Ukrainians on the front line, Ukrainian government officials and former US military officials.

Lacking solutions in the West, Ukraine has turned to cheaper Chinese products to supplement its drone arsenal.

Quote from Skydio Chief Executive Adam Bry: "The general reputation for every class of U.S. drone in Ukraine is that they don’t work as well as other systems."

I remember when all Russia had were shovels. They (Ukrainians) should be coping the shovel design.



https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibl..._to_incapacitate_an_abrams_w_a_shovel_by_the/

The comments are hilarious in hindsight.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Putin's regime may not be able to survive a decade long war; especially if Putin dies before then (which could happen). I think they will eventually have to negotiate a peace. I think Ukraine may have to give up some land to get there.

Russia/Putin can't afford this war at its current pace financially, militarily, from a human capital perspective, and politically for anything close to a decade.

Putin's strength is that the West trusts him more than any potential predecessor or the crumbling of the Russian federation as a whole. This is the reason the US has been dragging its feet with rearming Ukraine. In short, the US has to find a way for Putin to save face while striking the balance of punishing him heavily for invading. The solution seems to be let this conflict stay at stalemate and let the intensity simmer down slowly to a frozen conflict.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Russia/Putin can't afford this war at its current pace financially, militarily, from a human capital perspective, and politically for anything close to a decade.

Putin's strength is that the West trusts him more than any potential predecessor or the crumbling of the Russian federation as a whole. This is the reason the US has been dragging its feet with rearming Ukraine. In short, the US has to find a way for Putin to save face while striking the balance of punishing him heavily for invading. The solution seems to be let this conflict stay at stalemate and let the intensity simmer down slowly to a frozen conflict.

Why would the United States need to rearm the Ukraine, the Ukraine has basically wiped out Russia's military? (haven't you heard?) I mean other than maybe shells everything else should be intact, the Ukraine has only lost 30k troops. I'm thinking you'll see the comedian raising a Ukraine flag in Red Square by Saturday.

The new one, the United States is bidding its time.

How about this one, the White House is hoping for a stalemate or a failed Russian offensive until November???

 

[PKT_VOL]

Again, going back to my original statement, we don't have the STEM graduates that can take this info and design the next generation of weapons more do we have the manufacturing base.

This is hilariously wrong. We do it better than anyone in the world and now do it a lighting speed via AI systems.

You are seeing that The West is struggling to keep up with production of 155mm artillery shells and the number of cheap drones. The lead time needed to get this close to Russia's level, you need to have a trained workforce and the facilities to make the widgets. Plus, this would require a change in MICs business model of low volume/high priced weapons systems. While Houthis/Iranians and Russia are using high volume/low cost drones, we are sending out $30 million Reapers.

You are correct about this. However, this is due to the fact that our fighting force is NOT designed for land war of attrition without air superiority. A Russia vs US/NATO conflict would be night and day different.

Having an inadequate supply chain for a war we are not designed to fight is not a problem for the US military. To your point, it is a problem for the US being the leader of the free world trying to help Europe's defense against Russian aggression fighting a Russian style war.

 

[LSU-SIU]

To your point, it is a problem for the US being the leader of the free world trying to help Europe's defense against Russian aggression fighting a Russian style war.

What's Europe's defense? I mean if you are saying NATO that would make sense, but Russia really hasn't done anything to NATO.

The only problem is the one the United States created.

This is hilariously wrong. We do it better than anyone in the world and now do it a lighting speed via AI systems.

There is a god because somehow, some way... the goat herders survived the mighty AI systems. Dude, I can't get plastic parts for my lawnmower.

 

[PKT_VOL]

He's correct, however. You have Ukrainians complaing about the Western equipment being too fragile and maintenance intensive.

There are tradeoffs.

Russian's design their weapons to be simple, easy to maintain, cheap, and high quantity at the expense of effectiveness/efficiency and quality. The US/West designs their weapons to be ruthlessly effective/efficient of high quality while sacrificing simplicity, ability to maintain, cost, and quantity.

 

[LSU-SIU]

There are tradeoffs.

Russian's design their weapons to be simple, easy to maintain, cheap, and high quantity at the expense of effectiveness/efficiency and quality. The US/West designs their weapons to be ruthlessly effective/efficient of high quality while sacrificing simplicity, ability to maintain, cost, and quantity.

U.S. arms are expensive to feed the neocons. They are actually very inefficient on a cost basis ratio. U.S. weapons are built for going back to your secured base at night i.e. police activity.

All those Navy carrier groups are basically worthless at this point, very expensive Titanics with planes on them.

Smaller things like Stingers/Javelins have their use, any of the larger systems are basically a waste of time in a real war. The larger drones might have their uses but even those get shot down and end up being very cost ineffective.

 

[PKT_VOL]

What else matters besides men and machines? If you out man and out gun an adversary, you have a good chance of winning. Ukraine has lost 1000 men/day since the beginning of the year and the Russians have gained 1000/day in the same period.

Also, Russia the luxury of not being driven by a timetable. They don't have to take chances and make big advances that could rack up losses. They can go slow. The West has all of the clocks, but Russia has all of the time.

Russia has certainly been racking up massive losses. That is undeniable.

As for clocks, they both have clocks running. It is just a matter of who blinks first. Ironically, the West has a much more flexible clock IF it chooses that route. Russia is obviously and savvily doing everything it can to undermine that potential choice.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Remember this if we decide to fight Iran or China.

You realize China would be the invader, right?

Taiwan's whole defense strategy and their allies by extension (US, Japan, SK, Philippines, AUS, and Western partners) is a porcupine strategy.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You realize China would be the invader, right?

Taiwan's whole defense strategy and their allies by extension (US, Japan, SK, Philippines, AUS, and Western partners) is a porcupine strategy.

No, Taiwan is a part of China, if you are talking Taiwan.

The U.S. is the invader in Syria and Iraqi, currently. Niger has null and voided the U.S. agreement there as well, but we'll see on that.

Why exactly is the United States involved in everyone's affairs?

 

[KB5252]

No, Taiwan is a part of China, if you are talking Taiwan.

The U.S. is the invader in Syria and Iraqi, currently. Niger has null and voided the U.S. agreement there as well, but we'll see on that.

Why exactly is the United States involved in everyone's affairs?

The same reason China, Russia, the Sauds and a couple handfuls of other countries are in everyone's business. The economy is global and everyone depends on different parts of the world for just about everything.

If you can monopolize that through agreements or force you can bolster your status in the world/economy.

 

[LSU-SIU]

The same reason China, Russia, the Sauds and a couple handfuls of other countries are in everyone's business. The economy is global and everyone depends on different parts of the world for just about everything.

If you can monopolize that through agreements or force you can bolster your status in the world/economy.

But are they? You see Russia and the Ukraine going at it, and I guess SA/US against Yemen.... but other than that not much. My comment was more about, you really don't see all these countries bombing X number of countries a year like the United States or invading X number of countries a decade. I mean does the OP actually believe that the US cares about Europe's defense?

You talk about agreements, well isn't that generally okay? The other is through shear force or threat of removal from the global financial system.


I was thinking of all the enemies my government has tried to brainwash into hating my whole life.

- Russia, Russia, Russia (been like that my whole life)
- China
- North Korea

So, what have those countries really done to make me as an American hate them? I can't really think of anything significant, not really. But I can give you a big long list of stuff my country has done to them and others that would easily justify their citizens hating us.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

They clearly don't need $60b or patriots as they are doing a kick ass job. If those are real numbers, cool, they can go enjoy their sovereignty and peace.

So from 90% to 50% in less than 5 months?

December 2023
Russia Has Lost Almost 90% of Its Prewar Army, U.S. Intelligence Says


Yesterday

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There are tradeoffs.

Russian's design their weapons to be simple, easy to maintain, cheap, and high quantity at the expense of effectiveness/efficiency and quality. The US/West designs their weapons to be ruthlessly effective/efficient of high quality while sacrificing simplicity, ability to maintain, cost, and quantity.

Exactly what I have been saying. Low volume, high maintenance and high profits vs high volume, low maintenance and low profits.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You are correct about this. However, this is due to the fact that our fighting force is NOT designed for land war of attrition without air superiority. A Russia vs US/NATO conflict would be night and day different.

Then why in the hell did we encourage the Ukrainians to engage in such a land war? WOW...

Having an inadequate supply chain for a war we are not designed to fight is not a problem for the US military. To your point, it is a problem for the US being the leader of the free world trying to help Europe's defense against Russian aggression fighting a Russian style war.

Europe isn't our problem... neither is the Middle east or Asia.

Meanwhile, our southern border...

 

[BeardedVol]

So from 90% to 50% in less than 5 months?

December 2023
Russia Has Lost Almost 90% of Its Prewar Army, U.S. Intelligence Says


Yesterday

So Ukraine has lost 200k more soldiers in combat, than existed in their entire armed services at the start of the invasion, while Russia has lost ~6,000 soldiers according to the Kremlin?

And this is what you profess to believe as accurate?

 

[LSU-SIU]

So Ukraine has lost 200k more soldiers in combat, than existed in their entire armed services at the start of the invasion, while Russia has lost ~6,000 soldiers according to the Kremlin?

And this is what you profess to believe as accurate?

Why believe anyone of them? Why is it our business?

Which one is asking for money from me?

The Ukraine was our enemy, now they are friend. Iraqi was our friend, than they were our enemy, than they were our friend again, now they are enemy again.

 

[BeardedVol]

Then why in the hell did we encourage the Ukrainians to engage in such a land war? WOW...


Europe isn't our problem... neither is the Middle east or Asia.

Meanwhile, our southern border...

"Encouraged the Ukrainians to engage in a land war"?

They were invaded by Russia, and are defending themselves from that invasion.

They didn't need our "encouragement" to defend themselves from being raped and/or murdered by your countrymen.

Residents in Bucha remember massacre two years on

Over 1,000 people were killed by Russian forces in the town before it was liberated on 31st March 2022. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

 

[BeardedVol]

Why believe anyone of them? Why is it our business?

Which one is asking for money from me?

Why are you in here regurgitating nonsense if you are so blase' about what is occuring in Ukraine?

I mean, your hot takes do provide comedic relief, but they are of no substantive value to the discussion.