War in Ukraine

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LSU-SIU said:
Oh, you're preaching to the choir on this one.

Somehow someone thinks this is all good. My guess is anyone that says overpopulation or increasing populations are just good by nature... have no idea what they are talking about. Its not limited to those countries, heck we can say that about urban areas here.

All it really says is they get enough food and water to be able to use their cock. He used terms like "success", but unless one really defines what that means than it becomes a moot point.

The real point has nothing to do with Russia's population though... he really isn't concerned about Russia. Actually, quite the opposite, imo.
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It's a balance. Poor countries that keep having kids puts a strain on resources. Richer countries that don't have enough kids can see their economies weaken on the global scale.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Scary... I am lost to why our European allies are so eager to fight Russia? Not trying to be mean but Ukraine just isn't worth it right now.
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It’s more than just Ukraine between France and Russia. They are deeply involved in issues in Africa with each other.
 
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C/O said:
It’s more than just Ukraine between France and Russia. They are deeply involved in issues in Africa with each other.
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True and good point. Still Russia wasn't involved heavily in Africa until France got involved in Ukraine. Definitely, it seems like they are the two powers battling each other in Europe right now.

Crazy to think because the two were once staunch allies (at least pre-USSR days).
 
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volbound1700 said:
True and good point. Still Russia wasn't involved heavily in Africa until France got involved in Ukraine. Definitely, it seems like they are the two powers battling each other in Europe right now.

Crazy to think because the two were once staunch allies (at least pre-USSR days).
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Russia has been actively trying to expand its footprint in Africa for more than a decade. This isn't some recent development. I remember seeing stories about this when Obama was in office.
 
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KB5252 said:
Russia has been actively trying to expand its footprint in Africa for more than a decade. This isn't some recent development. I remember seeing stories about this when Obama was in office.
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Don't get me wrong, France is the oldest US ally and one of the most important but we really need to stay out of their colonial crap as it has gotten the US into so much trouble (i.e. Vietnam).
 
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volbound1700 said:
Don't get me wrong, France is the oldest US ally and one of the most important but we really need to stay out of their colonial crap as it has gotten the US into so much trouble (i.e. Vietnam).
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US interests don't include French colonies. No one is advocating for proliferation based on this....
 
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KB5252 said:
US interests don't include French colonies. No one is advocating for proliferation based on this....
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We have definitely acted to support French Colonialism.

Ho Chi Minh came to the USA in the 1940s for assistance and was pro-Democratic. We basically shot him down because France was our ally and we didn't want to support any movement against their colonization of IndoChina. He turned to the USSR and became Communist after that. Less than 20 years later, we were pulled into a disastrous war with his Vietcong.

We have troops in African regions that France is still running as "colonies" in all but name.

We did stand up to UK and France over Suez but rarely have we stood against them and it has dragged us into several conflicts and is now a risk to drag us into a nuclear war with Russia.
 
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TVOLS said:
My understanding was French Troops would be sent for training purposes only, not for combat. Am I missing something?
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Training is fine then. That is pretty common in wars to send advisors. Then again, we started that with Vietnam and it turned into something greater.
 
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volbound1700 said:
We have definitely acted to support French Colonialism.

Ho Chi Minh came to the USA in the 1940s for assistance and was pro-Democratic. We basically shot him down because France was our ally and we didn't want to support any movement against their colonization of IndoChina. He turned to the USSR and became Communist after that. Less than 20 years later, we were pulled into a disastrous war with his Vietcong.

We have troops in African regions that France is still running as "colonies" in all but name.

We did stand up to UK and France over Suez but rarely have we stood against them and it has dragged us into several conflicts and is now a risk to drag us into a nuclear war with Russia.
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I'm speaking currently. We aren't acting against Russia to protect French colonial interests.

Ho Chi Minh wasn't pro democracy as much as he was anti colonialism in Vietnam. He was looking for an entity to assist him to that end.
 
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KB5252 said:
We aren't agreeing. You are injecting an angle into an argument and pretending it's germane to the topic.
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The entire topic is about US getting involved in French Colonial interest. I stated we should NOT be doing that. It has dragged us into several bad circumstances and it has now become a part of this Ukraine conflict. I am failing to see how it isn't "germane" to the topic.
 
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volbound1700 said:
The entire topic is about US getting involved in French Colonial interest. I stated we should NOT be doing that. It has dragged us into several bad circumstances and it has now become a part of this Ukraine conflict. I am failing to see how it isn't "germane" to the topic.
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No, the topic is the war in Ukraine. You are injecting potential American involvement due to French colonialism.
 
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KB5252 said:
No, the topic is the war in Ukraine. You are injecting potential American involvement due to French colonialism.
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Apparently you can't read. My responses are very on topic to this specific post. French colonialism is clearly in the bounds of this conflict and impacting the decision of French foreign policy with regard to Ukraine and Russia.

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volbound1700 said:
Apparently you can't read. My responses are very on topic to this specific post. French colonialism is clearly in the bounds of this conflict and impacting the decision of French foreign policy with regard to Ukraine and Russia.

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There are a few issues:

1) Russia, particularly Russian military intelligence sources often put out inaccurate or misleading info. Just as Ukraine and others involved do.

2) France doesn't have any colonies in Africa today. They, like many others have business interests on the continent however and have significant investments there. Just like Russia and virtually every other country involved in our world wide economy.

3) colonialism was injected into the argument by you. You created a scenario that doesn't exist.

You've created a strawman within a strawman.......strawceptionman if you will.
 
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KB5252 said:
There are a few issues:

1) Russia, particularly Russian military intelligence sources often put out inaccurate or misleading info. Just as Ukraine and others involved do.

2) France doesn't have any colonies in Africa today. They, like many others have business interests on the continent however and have significant investments there. Just like Russia and virtually every other country involved in our world wide economy.

3) colonialism was injected into the argument by you. You created a scenario that doesn't exist.

You've created a strawman within a strawman.......strawceptionman if you will.
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I asked why France was getting involved in Ukraine and C/O responded with the Africa issues. I agreed.

If you don't think France isn't engaged in informal Colonialism in West Africa, you are sleeping under a rock. Watch this video for more evidence:



If you have a beef, perhaps talk to C/O. It was OUR CONVERSATION. If you don't like it, butt out.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I asked why France was getting involved in Ukraine and C/O responded with the Africa issues. I agreed.

If you don't think France isn't engaged in informal Colonialism in West Africa, you are sleeping under a rock. Watch this video for more evidence:



If you have a beef, perhaps talk to C/O. It was OUR CONVERSATION. If you don't like it, butt out.
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It's on a public board, I'll point out inaccuracies as I see fit.

The remnants of colonialism still exist for sure. But now they are business investments via agreements and support with those in power. The people often feel differently because they aren't afforded the same prosperity as politicians and those in power..........

Russia or another country comes in and sows discord, arms and supports opposition. Installs their own friendlies and will support them to their own ends. The whole process plays out when those not in power don't get what they feel they should......... The process plays out like this developing country's like this. That doesn't suddenly mean they are a Russian colony.

Colonialism of the classic definition is dead....... And has been for some time.
 
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