War in Ukraine

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Septic said:
Watching a global adversary get decimated militarily and economically while not having a single American service member scratched sure doesn't feel like we're losing it.
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So, being involved in proxy war with a nuclear power while at the same spending $100s of billions, and having your "supposed" friends killed and economically harmed is winning? Hm. And I thought EL was evil. Let me guess, you were the kid in school that pushed one kid into another kid to get them into a fight.

You are losing something, just my take. (rinse and repeat)

decimated militarily and economically
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So, they're going to be in Moscow when? This forum isn't going to change the outcome, if what you said were true it wouldn't seem like we would be still talking about any of this. 🤷‍♂️ Let's say you are right, they've been decimating Russia militarily and economically for years, logically speaking they should be asking for more money, weapons and even western troops.

"Hey guys, we don't care about the outcome because we're not losing... let's pump another $100 billion into it because obviously it doesn't matter. The enemy is destroyed but we need more money to destroy what we have already destroyed."

The meat grinding will continue is probably the most likely thing at this point and yes it does matter, that is obvious from your posts. Maybe go take a vacation, go get laid or have a beer.... the grinding could be just getting started.

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LSU-SIU said:
So, being involved in proxy war with a nuclear power while at the same spending $100s of billions, and having your "supposed" friends killed and economically harmed is winning? Hm. And I thought EL was evil. Let me guess, you were the kid in school that pushed one kid into another kid to get them into a fight.

You are losing something, just my take. (rinse and repeat)



So, they're going to be in Moscow when? This forum isn't going to change the outcome, if what you said were true it wouldn't seem like we would be still talking about any of this. 🤷‍♂️

"Hey guys, we don't care about the outcome because we're not losing... let's pump another $100 billion into it because obviously it doesn't matter."
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No one is forcing Putin to keep wasting men and material in his war to try to conquer Ukraine.
 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRus...v_president_trumps_national_security_advisor/

Mike Waltz says the war in Ukraine must end diplomatically​

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I agree with the point meaning; they're not getting it back. However, he is not providing even a hint of an off-ramp. What is the off-ramp? It would seem at this point, you either continue the money laundering scam(s) into the black pit until everything is destroyed, or you don't. All he is doing is answering a question with a question. Their simple isn't anything of interest in what this guy is saying for either side to be entertained by it.
If Trump was going to end the war on day one (or similar) and he doesn't mean to just simply stop support, this isn't going to work. He can't even come up with terms one of the parties would agree to let alone both of them.

Silly Rabbits.

The only solution at this point is either indefinitely fund the war and the 51st state for decades or pull support. You need trillions, not billions.
 
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utvolpj said:
Was likely on a podcast which I'll try to find. It comes from the National Endowment for Democracy
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I figured that was the connection. The NED is funded from the federal budget and is just boogeyman fear mongering trying to claim its CIA ran. It is meddling for sure look where the NED gives their money. But using the CIA tag I think is playing fast and loose.

A much more factual and easily traceable funding path would be to say they are funded by a large part from western governments. Canada being a big early contributor
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I figured that was the connection. The NED is funded from the federal budget and is just boogeyman fear mongering trying to claim its CIA ran. It is meddling for sure look where the NED gives their money. But using the CIA tag I think is playing fast and loose.

A much more factual and easily traceable funding path would be to say they are funded by a large part from western governments. Canada being a big early contributor
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I don't think it's crazy to say a us govt funded operation with the goal to spread democracy probably has ties to the cia. Of not then were funding 2 agencies with the same purpose. Time for doge
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't think it's crazy to say a us govt funded operation with the goal to spread democracy probably has ties to the cia. Of not then were funding 2 agencies with the same purpose. Time for doge
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It’s the extrapolation to “the Kiev independent is CIA funded”. That’s a very misleading and loaded statement. The NED is a 501c3 non profit. If you’re really interested in their funding sources and grantees it’s a fairly open book.

And I hope doge cuts serious budget meat also.
 
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BeardedVol said:
This has been explained, ad nauseum, we convinced them to give up nuclear weapons, and destroy their missiles and long rang bombers, for security assurances that we would make sure their sovereignty was not threatened by a nuclear power.

Don't want the US to uphold the obligations we agreed to? Fine, then we can provide recompense for the weapons Ukraine destroyed or gave to Russia in order to comply with our demands.

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Don't forget to help cover up Obama and Biden's massive corruption.
 
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Trump's promise to end the Ukraine war in a day meets harsh realities

Kellogg co-wrote a report last year calling for pressuring both Moscow and Kyiv to enter into peace talks. Under the plan, Washington would threaten more military aid to Ukraine if Russia failed to negotiate while offering possible relief from economic sanctions if Moscow accepted a settlement. At the same time, Washington would threaten Kyiv with cutting off assistance if it refused to enter into talks. NATO membership for Ukraine would be ruled out for an extended period, but foreign powers would provide security guarantees for Kyiv.
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If this is "the plan" than my guess is the "the plan" will instantly fail. This is no different than the Gabbard, "let's just all get along". The Comedian has to have an endless war or he will be forced out and they will be hunting him. On the Russia side, you really aren't threatening them with anything new nor providing any long-term solution. My guess if this is the best they got is the grind will continue for some time. The Orange either has to continuously fund and support the biggest welfare state or not, there really isn't any other viable path that anyone has suggested.

What the Ukraine wants or thinks is not material, this is a war between Russia and the West. The Ukraine is not relevant.The neocons and globalist setup a dozy here, there simply is no easy off-ramp. The West either has to keep funding the black hole until its all gone, or stop. There is simply no solution being offered to either the Ukraine or Russia, how do complete a deal when there is no deal even being offered let alone no party willing to accept some deal that doesn't exist? 🤷‍♂️

My guess is at this late stage, the any deal would require trillions from the U.S.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Trump's promise to end the Ukraine war in a day meets harsh realities



If this is "the plan" than my guess is the "the plan" will instantly fail. This is no different than the Gabbard, "let's just all get along". The Comedian has to have an endless war or he will be forced out and they will be hunting him. On the Russia side, you really aren't threatening them with anything new nor providing any long-term solution. My guess if this is the best they got is the grind will continue for some time. The Orange either has to continuously fund and support the biggest welfare state or not, there really isn't any other viable path that anyone has suggested.

What the Ukraine wants or thinks is not material, this is a war between Russia and the West. The Ukraine is not relevant.The neocons and globalist setup a dozy here, there simply is no easy off-ramp. The West either has to keep funding the black hole until its all gone, or stop. There is simply no solution being offered to either the Ukraine or Russia, how do complete a deal when there is no deal even being offered let alone no party willing to accept some deal that doesn't exist? 🤷‍♂️

My guess is at this late stage, the any deal would require trillions from the U.S.
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at best its a war between Russia and the West's leftovers they are teaching farmers how to use.
 
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I don't believe the Orange Man has to solve the war or get the U.S. out of this in 24 hours, but at some point he will own it. I would cut the support and funds as soon as possible, nobody should want to own the proxy war version of Vietnam and Afghanistan. If he stays in the game he needs trillions, not billions.

I will note they have been fairly silent on all this other than the non-solution solutions. There doesn't appear to be a short term viable path to resolution other than exit.

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"The stick-figure diagram, sketched in blue ink and shared by Ukraine's Special Operations unit, shows how soldiers will form in groups of three if a drone is spotted. One will then be tasked with blowing their cover to lure the drone near, creating the opportunity for it to be shot at by the other two....Even at the cost of my life, I will carry out the Supreme Commander’s orders without hesitation," reads one entry in a translation, showing his dedication to the cause. “I will show the world the bravery and sacrifice of Kim Jong Un’s special forces"

@LSU-SIU Where's your outrage?

www.the-express.com

North Korean soldier's chilling seven-word confession from Ukraine POW camp

Zelensky released new footage with North Korean POW who said he was unaware he was fighting in Russia's war against Ukraine.
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