War in Ukraine

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LSU-SIU said:
What's the plan or solution?

If a country like Poland came in an annexed it which was floated by the Russians in the first year of the war (which I mentioned years ago), that was a possible solution... at this stage not so much.

The Russians have to have a solution that is long-term, not 4 years. I'm not saying a solution can't exist but its still hard to imagine it, the neocons set this one up well. Hopefully Eastern Europe prepares.
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Pete Hegseth Lays Out the Trump Administration's Plan to End War in Ukraine

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MontyPython said:
So Orangeman says he and Putin will end the war together... without including Ukraine.

Here we go with stable genius 4D chess again.

Also: Won't work. Obviously.
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Sure it will. Ukraine has nothing to barter with and Zelensky is a spectator who'd better be a willing participant.
Without U.S. support, he has nothing.
Reality-check time for the scrotum piano player.
 
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LSU-SIU said:


No it doesn't have to include Europe, it doesn't even have to include the Ukraine.

You're about to be abandoned.
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LOL, Europeans (UK, France, Italy, and Germany) held a conference in 1938 in Munich and basically gave away Czechoslovakian land without their consent. Don't go there.

Let's not bring up the Scramble for Africa/Berlin Conference as well.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Ukraine will be there from what was posted.
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I never expected they wouldn't be, just smh at the guys who have to be first to comment and posture.

Mostly the same Dems and Neo-cons who recklessly thought it was a good time for another Cold War to prevent Trump winning in 2016. A bunch of dangerous, angry children repeatedly throwing their own shite at the wall to see if it'd stick, even declaring the tiny, laughable speck of 'Russian election meddling' - swaying not a single vote - as an act of war.

Back to Zelensky, he's been a spectator through the conflict, cap in hand, to see when the next drop of aid would land. If he and the EU want to go it alone, well, good luck.
 
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hog88 said:
I’m all for Ukraine continuing the war with European funding.
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Don't disagree with the premise, but if they do, we should consider why we'd remain in NATO since we are NATO. At some point they'd FU, assuring themselves that big brother will rescue; why wait for that eventuality? They need to sober up.
 
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hog88 said:
I’m all for Ukraine continuing the war with European funding.
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Generally not my business but all for withdrawing from nato and turning over Cia agents list operating in russia, Ukraine and Eastern Europe. They're already asking for them and I would give it to them for a bottle of volka. And indict the midget if he tries and escape.

The rest will work itself out naturally.
 
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Zelensky Says Trump Has 'no plan' For An End To The war In Ukraine, Putin 'definitely does not want peace' And NATO Membership 'is the cheapest option for everyone'​


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky today warned that Donald Trump still has 'no plan' for how to end the war as he said he would be ready to speak to Russia once aligned with the U.S. and Europe over the fate of his embattled nation.

'We are ready for any conversations with America and our allies,' said Zelensky, two days after Trump announced he had spoken to Putin to begin negotiating an end to the conflict.

'If they provide us with specific answers to specific requests from us and a common understanding of the dangerous Putin, then, with our unified understanding, we will be ready to talk with the Russians,' he added.

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Zelensky says Trump has 'no plan' for an end to the war in Ukraine

Ukraine and its European partners remain anxious that Russia could rearm and reopen the conflict unless the U.S. commits to providing enduring security guarantees
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LSU-SIU said:
Seems reasonable going into negotiations, Trump doesn't want to lead with compromise but at the end of the day the Russians are looking for a long-term solution.

The Ukraine won't be a part of NATO because it might not even exist.

We'll see how it turns out but nobody has suggested a workable plan or solution. Neocons set this one up well, the rest of Eastern Europe has possible additional time to save itself.

Nobody wants Western Ukraine so.... (same thing I basically said 2+ years ago)
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I would be shocked if there was a major transfer of land beyond what is currently held.

I could see cleaning up the lines a bit. But I doubt Russia is going to get any land on the otherside of a body of water they didn't already have.
 
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Russia Laughs at Europe's Fury Over Trump: Putin propagandists cannot hide their glee on state TV as they boast that US president's call to Vladimir is 'a good day for our country'​


Vladimir Putin's propagandists have taken to TV to gleefully celebrate 'victory' in Ukraine after Donald Trump signalled he was ready to start peace talks immediately to end the 'horrible, very bloody war'.

Acclaimed Russian filmmaker and routine propaganda Kremlin mouthpiece Karen Shakhnazarov praised Putin for his 'intrigues' and shrewd politcking on Russian TV, before laughing at the fallout in the halls of Europe.

Shakhnazarov jibed to a panel of compatriots over Trump's historic call to Vladimir Putin this week: 'It's an achievement, the blockade has been broken.

'It means a lot to all of them, that the president of the United States, the mightiest nation in the West, as great as the Roman Empire, made this call.

'It's as if Julius Caesar himself telephoned a barbarian, a chieftain of some Germanic tribe. This alone is already a success,' he mocked, as host Vladimir Solovyov laughed on the sidelines.

Trump has shocked America's partners in Europe with pledges to end the war in the context of retracting support and focus from the continent while demanding access to Ukrainian minerals in return for an unclear commitment to long-term security.

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Russia laughs at Europe's fury over Trump

Propaganda Kremlin mouthpiece Karen Shakhnazarov praised Putin for his 'intrigues' and shrewd politcking, before laughing at the fallout in the halls of Europe.
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CagleMtnVol said:
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Cool. What's the solution midget? (I see you shaking your head)

stop funding +
turn over information on cia assets in russia, ukraine, and eastern europe +
prosecute and/or kill the midget (and other money laundering idiots) if he tries to run
=
great day for america and world peace
🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
 
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NCFisher said:
Sure it will. Ukraine has nothing to barter with and Zelensky is a spectator who'd better be a willing participant.
Without U.S. support, he has nothing.
Reality-check time for the scrotum piano player.
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Curious. Wherever you live... if your neighbor invaded your property, killed your wife, raped your daughter... you'd be like, oh this is all good.
 
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