War in Ukraine

[tvolsfan]

The only reason we became so heavily involved was to cover up Obama and Biden's corruption. Give Z to Putin, then perform the biggest audit of all time on where the money went, because the vast majority didn't go to fighting Russia. In fact, our dollars helped prolong the inevitable and led to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian deaths.

This is a testament to how effective right wing propaganda is.

Scary that many people actually think like this.

 

[tvolsfan]

I haven't posted here in a while. Watching what's happening now in this "peace process" (read Ukrainian surrender) is probably the morally reprehensible thing a U.S. president has done in my lifetime.

It's like Trump and Putin are the modern Molotov and Ribbentrop, negotiating how to split up Poland between themselves.

Utterly disgusting.

You would think someone who tries to present himself as a dealmaker wouldn’t make a bunch of concessions before starting negotiations, but that shows his lack of intelligence.

 

[just bob]

This is a testament to how effective right wing propaganda is.

Scary that many people actually think like this.

lol. The knuckle dragging neanderthal thinks Ukraine deserved our money. You are why intelligence tests should be needed to vote.

 

[tvolsfan]

lol. The knuckle dragging neanderthal thinks Ukraine deserved our money. You are why intelligence tests should be needed to vote.

Okay

 

[KB5252]

I absolutely think the CIA assets in Europe, Ukraine and Russia should be identified to the host countries so they can hang'em.

So you are advocating for the doxxing/ killing/execution of people operating under the orders of our government intelligence agency?

You can dislike what they do but this is moronic levels of stupidity. You would instantly lose any intelligence assets you have anywhere in the world and blind your government.

I've seen you make some strange posts but this one is on a completely different level of deranged.

 

[norrislakevol]

I guess I look at the whole situation like this: 1) Russia wanted to take all of Ukraine and disarm Ukraine. They failed at that, but did score a partial victory by capturing the more Russian friendly provinces and securing a warm water port. 2) Ukraine would have fought with or without U.S. support, however things like Javelin missiles did a lot of damage to Russian tanks. In no way did Russia ever expect this type of resistance. Ukraine did save most of their territory. 3) Ukraine is as corrupt as Russia, they learned from the best. This offered a great chance to launder money for people in both Ukraine and the U.S. It was a win win for some. Cripple the Russians, and get paid on top of that. Russia's equipment losses are staggering. They won't be able to fight a war like this for quite some time.

In conclusion, it's a big ole sh!t sandwich. I guess with the mineral deal Trump is trying to at least put some mustard on said sandwich.

 

[KB5252]

This is a testament to how effective right wing propaganda is.

Scary that many people actually think like this.

I'm not right wing but I think it plausible that a country our president negotiated lucrative business dealings with, and involved himself in its judicial process on behalf of the same business his son was involved with might be a big factor in the decision to fund its defense........I think it also possible these business dealings with the vice president, then president could be a reason how this conflict kicked off to begin with.

There's a lot of reason to believe that possible actually.

 

[BreatheUT]

Zelensky is ready to give the USA rare earth metals of Ukraine: senators asked: EADaily

EADaily, August 13th, 2024. The United States is ready to take control of the reserves of rare earth metals on Ukraine, and Vladimir Zelensky agrees. This is stated in a joint statement by US Senators Richard Blumenthal and Lindsey Graham*, who visited Kiev today.

eadaily.com

Dont act like the latest news is some strange concept..

President Zelensky is pleased and ready to reach a strategic agreement with the United States regarding rare earth metals worth more than a trillion dollars owned by Ukraine, and has committed himself to creating a working group with the United States," the statement said.

and The EU was given much if not most of their money as loans, and we just handed them grants?

Dang Biden was dumb.

There had to be some kickback scheme involved with shady record keeping. Otherwise this further cements the morons that leftists are in America. Either way it serves as an example that they are not good stewards of the American tax dollars or honest brokers.

 

[just bob]

I'm not right wing but I think it plausible that a country our president negotiated lucrative business dealings with, and involved himself in its judicial process on behalf of the same business his son was involved with might be a big factor in the decision to fund its defense........I think it also possible these business dealings with the vice president, then president could be a reason how this conflict kicked off to begin with.

There's a lot of reason to believe that possible actually.

Indeed. How far back does Biden's blanket pardon of his son go? Anything about that time? hmm.....

 

[tvolsfan]

I'm not right wing but I think it plausible that a country our president negotiated lucrative business dealings with, and involved himself in its judicial process on behalf of the same business his son was involved with might be a big factor in the decision to fund its defense........I think it also possible these business dealings with the vice president, then president could be a reason how this conflict kicked off to begin with.

There's a lot of reason to believe that possible actually.

There's literally no evidence to believe this. Even regular Republicans aren't saying that. That is well down the MAGA rabbit hole.

 

[LSU-SIU]

So you are advocating for the doxxing/ killing/execution of people operating under the orders of our government intelligence agency?

You can dislike what they do but this is moronic levels of stupidity. You would instantly lose any intelligence assets you have anywhere in the world and blind your government.

I've seen you make some strange posts but this one is on a completely different level of deranged.

Yup. They (neocons) used my tax dollars to overthrow a foreign government and than help in an effort to push things to WW3. If the Ukrainians and Europeans are our friends, what kind of friends sends and pays people to do that?

The Ukrainians are dying because of YOU (your tax dollars), they certainly should be able to get payback for this nonsense from the people that caused it internally.

I've seen you make some strange posts but this one is on a completely different level of deranged.

Your whole premise to me is evil, you claim people are friends and allies than set them up to die. Why wouldn't I send a list over to my friends to tell them who was trying to overthrow them and set them up to die? Talk about deranged.

 

[just bob]

There's literally no evidence to believe this. Even regular Republicans aren't saying that. That is well down the MAGA rabbit hole.

Well there's one of your many problems. You get your news from politicians. lol. Hell, no doubt many repubs are profiting off of the corruption too. The money is unaccounted for...

 

[Orange.]

Yes, Jeffrey, all people interested in honest inquiry -- instead of endless media propaganda, name-calling, dumb-as-a-rock propaganda aimed at small minds and easy dupes, NGO and MIC grift, and support of insurrectionist ops like RussiaGate, Hunter Bidens' laptop, etc. -- do indeed want you to discuss how the U.S. destroyed Nord Stream. We would like to consider all views of the question in freedom.

Please continue.

 

[KB5252]

There's literally no evidence to believe this. Even regular Republicans aren't saying that. That is well down the MAGA rabbit hole.

I'm not stating it's fact. But usually where's there's smoke you'll find fire.

Here's the questions:

Did Biden inject himself into the judicial affairs of a foreign country? On the surface it appears he possibly did

Did Biden's son end up with a very cushy job he was in no way qualified for save being the VP"s son? Absolutely, that isn't even debated.

1&1 usually equal 2.

Now one could argue that's just politics, everyone does it...... And they'd be right. But in this one what is appropriate seems to have been thrown out the window, like they didn't even care what it would look like.

Now as for the rest the case becomes weaker and much less clear. But Biden involved himself in Ukraine both as VP and President.

 

[KB5252]

Yup. They (neocons) used my tax dollars to overthrow a foreign government and than help in an effort to push things to WW3. If the Ukrainians and Europeans are our friends, what kind of friends sends and pays people to do that?

The Ukrainians are dying because of YOU (your tax dollars), they certainly should be able to get payback for this nonsense from the people that caused it internally.



Your whole premise to me is evil, you claim people are friends and allies than set them up to die. Why wouldn't I send a list over to my friends to tell them who was trying to overthrow them and set them up to die? Talk about deranged.

Because you don't just hurt them ......... You completely compromise the country.

You don't kill the baby because it's infected with a virus. You target the virus.


Your whole premise is just as evil....... Possibly even more so.

You root for America to fail because of what you feel it has become..... With no care as to what that means for the countless that will suffer and die for it...........

Yet you condescend to others about being evil........... Give me a break.

 

[Orange.]

I just saw a video (from a few days ago, I think) of a German ambassador literally crying on stage because the VP of the United States told his country to knock off their Nazi-style assault on free speech.

And these are the people who put on a big act for television, together with their cohorts, about how they would fight on without the U.S. Sure you will, buddy.

American propagandist media ate it up.

I can see from some posts here what the propagandist American media's coordinated "spin of the day" is.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Because you don't just hurt them ......... You completely compromise the country.

You don't kill the baby because it's infected with a virus. You target the virus.


Your whole premise is just as evil....... Possibly even more so.

You root for America to fail because of what you feel it has become..... With no care as to what that means for the countless that will suffer and die for it...........

Yet you condescend to others about being evil........... Give me a break.

So, you are responsible for killing a bunch of people, and the people you sent to do the killing you have no responsibility to let people know what you did and who did it locally i.e. admit your guilt and that's not evil?

I wouldn't trust you at Thanksgiving with an electric knife, your "friends" and "family" should be very worried. With friends like you, who needs enemies.

That is evil and deranged.

We absolutely have a duty to criminally prosecute the evil doers if the law allows it and the agents that carried it out locally that resulted in massive amounts of destruction and death for no reason.

 

[Orangeburst]

mercy.,this guy belongs in prison.

 

[NorthDallas40]

So, you are responsible for killing a bunch of people, and the people you sent to do the killing you have no responsibility to let people know what you did and who did it locally i.e. admit your guilt and that's not evil?

I wouldn't trust you at Thanksgiving with an electric knife, you're "friends" and "family" should be very worried. With friends like you, who needs enemies.

That is evil and deranged.

We absolutely have a duty to criminally prosecute the evil doers if the law allows it and the agents that carried it out locally that resulted in massive amounts of destruction and death for no reason.

 

[Orange.]

Biden says "we will bring an end to it." "I promise you we will be able to do it."



BeardedKarineJeanPierre swore to me that “the Russians” “made this up.”

 

[volbound1700]

I guess I look at the whole situation like this: 1) Russia wanted to take all of Ukraine and disarm Ukraine. They failed at that, but did score a partial victory by capturing the more Russian friendly provinces and securing a warm water port. 2) Ukraine would have fought with or without U.S. support, however things like Javelin missiles did a lot of damage to Russian tanks. In no way did Russia ever expect this type of resistance. Ukraine did save most of their territory. 3) Ukraine is as corrupt as Russia, they learned from the best. This offered a great chance to launder money for people in both Ukraine and the U.S. It was a win win for some. Cripple the Russians, and get paid on top of that. Russia's equipment losses are staggering. They won't be able to fight a war like this for quite some time.

In conclusion, it's a big ole sh!t sandwich. I guess with the mineral deal Trump is trying to at least put some mustard on said sandwich.

Really good grasp of situation. You also have to consider that China is the one winning hear as USA goes into further debt to help Ukraine while Russia is bleeding itself in this war.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[KB5252]

So, you are responsible for killing a bunch of people, and the people you sent to do the killing you have no responsibility to let people know what you did and who did it locally i.e. admit your guilt and that's not evil?

I wouldn't trust you at Thanksgiving with an electric knife, your "friends" and "family" should be very worried. With friends like you, who needs enemies.

That is evil and deranged.

We absolutely have a duty to criminally prosecute the evil doers if the law allows it and the agents that carried it out locally that resulted in massive amounts of destruction and death for no reason.

That last sentence wasn't what you were advocating for at all....... You're moving the goalposts now because you can't defend the original idiocy.

 

[BreatheUT]

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Is Israel sharing tech with America?

 

[Orange.]

Holy revelation, Batman! Beard wants to defund Israel.

Or dropped his neocon mask, and started randomly growling at ankles and yelping about whatever happens by, like a “news” “personality.” Audition for The View already.