War in Ukraine

[Weezer]

I just made an appointment with my therapist. I've been finding you too agreeable lately.

This thread is a Political Forum anomaly. An internet Bermuda Triangle. With the exception of Ras, and maybe a couple of others, we all seem to be agreeing.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Prominent Putin propagandist rages on live TV about Losing his Italian villa - which is next to George Clooney's - because of sanctions over Russia's invasion of Ukraine

• Vladimir Soloviev, 58, griped about losing access to two multimillion-dollar estates he owns in Lake Como due to sanctions that followed Russian invasion

As the death toll mounts in Ukraine - where at least three children have died since Vladimir Putin ordered the country invaded - a tone-deaf Russian TV host is fuming about how the conflict has cost him access to his Italian luxury villas.

Proponent pro-Putin television personality Vladimir Soloviev publicly lamented Friday losing access to his multimillion-dollar vacation homes due to Italian-imposed sanctions spurred by Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

'Is this the Iron Curtain?' Soloviev opined on the set of his late-night program. 'I was told that Europe is a citadel of rights, that everything is permitted, that’s what they said.'

Prominent Putin propagandist rages on live TV about losing Italian villas because of sanctions | Daily Mail Online

Hey Vlad! You trample on others rights, your rights are subject to being stampeded as well.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Supremely bad idea.

Why? They want to fight for the Ukrainian people...then let them. They aren't being sent, they are volunteering.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

So they actually reported that 59% of Americans are insane? I bet 98% of that 59% would list Fox as one of their primary news sources.

You are just as big of a stick as Ras you stinking pinko commie.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Putin Throws MORE Troops and Tanks At Kyiv: Satellite images show THREE Mile-Long Convoy Heading Towards Capital after failing to take the city, as its mayor Klitschko warns 'we are at the border of a humanitarian catastrophe'

• Kyiv mayor Vitali Klitschko says people cannot evacuate as all roads are blocked

As Russian troops draw closer to the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv's mayor is filled with pride over his citizens' spirit but remains anxious about how long they can hold out.

Kyiv encircled: Satellite images show hundreds of Russian soldiers surrounding Ukrainian capital | Daily Mail Online

 

[LouderVol]

All of this was caused by NATO expanding east and not being willing to arrive at a reasonable, diplomatic solution which would have been a more neutral Ukraine, clearly intended to provoke and agitate Russia. Mission accomplished on that front.

Now, as Americans, we cheer on the apparent weakness in Russia and Putin for the time being, but ignore the lurking danger that is growing in Turkey. Syria, Cypress, Greek Isles, Georgia, Armenia and Central Asia are now going to be on Erdogan's radar.

Not to mention that we our oppressors and controllers here in The West will tighten their grip with little opposition or counter moves to worry about.

If this plays out as it appears right now, this is a short term victory for the Ukrainians and humanity as a whole. But a world where you have Erdogan, CCP and Anglo-American woke neoliberals/MIC neocons working together is going to fast track the type of nonsense we've been seeing over the past 2 years.

Lol, more neutral? What the eff is that?

This was 100% because of Putin. Period. Ukraine is not a part of NATO. But Putin attacked anyway. Justifying Ukraines desire to be a part of NATO.

 

[NEO]

If…..and this is a big if……Putin does launch a nuke at that point the world must take him out no matter the cost.

You now have a leader who has shown he is open to war and open to nuclear options so you must remove the infection to save the body even if you lose the legs.

I clearly understand this means all out war but once a nuke is launched against Ukraine its only a matter of time before he attacks NATO and we are drawn in no matter what.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I used to watch him all the time until they all became progressive mouth pieces. I’m hoping Zucker’s exit drags them back to news and accordingly Fox follows suit. We would be in great shape if we had a slightly left and slightly right news source that we could believe what we hear without fact checking them FFS.

Agreed...or they could just be neutral and not be propaganda machines for either side, now there is a good idea.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Is that a fable? Or is the current woke media denying?

Not following?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I just made an appointment with my therapist. I've been finding you too agreeable lately.

It’s scaring me too. I want us to get back to just throwing monkey poo at each other.

 

[FLVOL_79]

This aged like milk:

"It’s going to take a hell of a lot of work to make up for all the damage he’s done internationally and nationally," Biden said. "His network of thugs and co-conspirators are going to continue to try to undermine our democracy in the meantime." Imagine what he can do in another year," "Imagine what can happen to Ukraine."

-Biden, 2019

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

People are losing their minds over this post by the Ukrainian National Guard.

This is what happens when you decide to go fight people that are just as bat crazy as you are.

 

[volbound1700]

Let's not overstate the rebuilding of the Russian military. Their Navy is a fraction of its Cold War size plus many of their combat ships were built 40-50 years ago. The same is true for their ground forces. They once had a massive superiority in tanks but that no longer exists.

They've been working on technological advances with their biggest one being hypersonic misses IF they've actually accomplished that but it really doesn't change the calculations on conventional war. They've also developed a new front line fighter which I see mentioned by Russian news bots as being a devastating weapon. Doubt it.

As far as regular weapons systems you see them doing it on the cheap.

Their biggest issue is what you see happening in Ukraine. Their regular (not special forces) troops are conscripts who are more culturally diverse than you might expect. Less cohesiveness.

Our biggest advantage, and it's a huge one, is the difference in the authority, ingenuity and commitment of our senior enlisted ranks (our NCOs). The Russians do not give their senior enlisted the authority to manage and innovate. It is a very hierarchal management structure. Our service members are trained and encouraged to exercise leadership at all levels. So in the fog of war, you would see an American E-5 who finds that he is the senior ranking person in a group, organize that group and get them in the fight. A Russian NCO is going to consolidate his position and wait for higher authority to tell him what to do next while he has to worry about how many of his conscript troops are going to sneak off in the dark to avoid getting killed.

On an update, Ukrainian reports say they shot down two Russian troop planes. If troops were on board that would be a lot of dead.

I think the real surprise is that 72 hours into this war the Russians have not established air superiority.

I can tell you that when two modern military countries engage it an air war, it is closely tracked by our military pilots. I remember sitting around the ready room with all the pilots in the training squadron I was teaching in at the time, talking about the reports of the Argentian air force tearing the Brits apart with their old A-4s during the Falklands war. If we hadn't broken neutrality and provided 24/7 AWACS coverage over the Brit fleet, they would have been beaten. Their Harriers couldn't intercept the A-4s without substantial warning.

I digress, my point was that I would love to be a fly on the wall listening to those discussions one more time.

You can't compare modern Russia with USSR, they lost 40% of their population and 20% of their land with the other nations leaving the USSR as well as losing the Warsaw Pact Nations

 

[bamawriter]

You are literally insane. You need therapy and meds honestly

It's that even weirder branch of SovCit thinking where 'freedom' somehow looks like Putin's Russia.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

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[Franklin Pierce]

Hunt for traitors in Kyiv: Ukrainian Troops Arrest and Blindfold 'Russian spies' as Mayor Vitaly Klitschko warns anyone outside after curfew will be considered part of 'enemy's sabotage group'

• Troops blindfolded suspected foreign agents and bundled them into vans in Kyiv

Ukrainian troops have launched a crackdown on alleged Russian spies as the brutal invasion of their country continues.

Soldiers blindfolded the suspected foreign agents and bundled them into the back of vans in the capital Kyiv.

Kyiv Mayor Vitaly Klitschko warned that those outside after 5pm and before 8am will be considered part of 'the enemy's sabotage and reconnaissance groups'.

Meanwhile Ukraine's president said he was ready for peace talks with Russia just not in Belarus - which was a staging ground for Moscow's invasion.

Ukrainian troops have launched a crackdown on alleged Russian spies as the brutal invasion of their country continues

Soldiers blindfolded the suspected foreign agents and bundled them into the back of vans in the capital Kyiv

Hunt for traitors in Kyiv: Ukrainian troops arrest and blindfold 'Russian spies' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Pacer92]

Lol, more neutral? What the eff is that?

This was 100% because of Putin. Period. Ukraine is not a part of NATO. But Putin attacked anyway. Justifying Ukraines desire to be a part of NATO.

I’ve been called a Putin apologist, amongst many other things in these Ukrainian threads. There is/was a lot of behind the scene things that most don’t see through MSM that justified a Putin rebuke..

However, speaking for myself...this isn’t justified. Recognizing the oblasts in Eastern Ukraine, arming them in a geopolitical proxy war against the west in defense is one thing....totally razing the whole country is another. Totally unjustified...

 

[luthervol]

You are just as big of a stick as Ras you stinking pinko commie.

How so? I'm all for the Ukrainians, have been amazed at their resilience and tenacity, and proud of the reactions from people around the globe.
What I find pathetic is that Fox, during this time of unity and almost universal condemnation of Putin, would report about a poll that claims 59% of Americans blame Putin's invasion on Biden.

That is simply sad and pathetic and so many levels. Take a step back and actually think about that.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Neither should a country giving up industry and letting the enemy produce the stuff it used to manufacture - but that's exactly what we have done here. There's a lot of weird thinking in the world today, and today we seem to be just one of those countries willing to commit suicide.

And this I agree with.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Agreed. How does the obvious escape the voting masses?

Because people are stupid

 

[Burhead]

 

[lawgator1]

Why? They want to fight for the Ukrainian people...then let them. They aren't being sent, they are volunteering.

I think it gives Putin an excuse to say we are interfering in military activities. I realize that we are not actualy doing so and that it would be a lie to construe it as such, but that is Putin now, isn't it? I just don;t think now is the time to even give him an angle to claim that.

 

[BreatheUT]

Supremely bad idea.

It's rare that we agree on something.

 

[apevol]

I think it gives Putin an excuse to say we are interfering in military activities. I realize that we are not actualy doing so and that it would be a lie to construe it as such, but that is Putin now, isn't it? I just don;t think now is the time to even give him an angle to claim that.

I dont find it terribly unlikely that there have been special forces out of uniform there already.

 

[Burhead]

I think it gives Putin an excuse to say we are interfering in military activities. I realize that we are not actualy doing so and that it would be a lie to construe it as such, but that is Putin now, isn't it? I just don;t think now is the time to even give him an angle to claim that.

Not concerned with foreign volunteers, they've been there since 2014, what happens if Putin targets Western arm shipments crossing the border?