War in Ukraine

[VolStrom]

For all the good and positive, the internet is going to be the death of us; and that's a shame because it has so much positive to offer.

Could you imagine what would happen if the Internet just shut down one day and never returned? The modern world would collapse into chaos and would cease to function.

 

[apevol]

Could you imagine what would happen if the Internet just shut down one day and never returned? The modern world would collapse into chaos and would cease to function.

id have to talk my neighbors

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Revealed: The tearful Ukrainian campaigner who broke down as she confronted Boris is an American-educated anti-corruption chief who fled Kyiv but has family still stuck in under-siege capital

The woman who broke down in tears as she demanded Boris Johnson tighten UK sanctions against Russia is a high-profile Ukrainian campaigner who helped establish the country's anti-corruption court.

Daria Kaleniuk's voice began to crack as she urged the Prime Minister to impose tougher sanctions on Russia and its oligarchs following Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

During a press conference in Poland, where Mr Johnson is visiting today ahead of talks with Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, Ms Kaleniuk said Ukrainian children were 'taking the hit' because of the refusal of NATO to get involved in the conflict.

The UN says at least 136 civilians have been killed so far, including 13 children, and hundreds more injured.

Boris vows 'maximum pressure' on Putin as he heads for Poland and Estonia | Daily Mail Online

 

[MontyPython]

Yesterday people were saying it would be wrong to fly missions against the Russians from bases outside Ukraine. The distinction between supplying planes and all that's necessary from bases outside Ukraine and actually flying missions from those bases is blurry - and who flies the support missions to bring in fuel munitions and supplies. The in for a penny in for a pound argument. Secondly, I haven't seen anyone questioning that if Ukraine needs the planes whether they actually have pilots current enough to fly them, but that really needs to be considered - and can Ukraine provide trained ground support. It's a far more complex issue than suppling rifles, anti-tank weapons, or even tanks. Could be reality setting in.

To take this issue one step further, the US has the best attack drones on the planet. I'd wager we even have stealth drones by this point.

So, remove all American ID off them, and ship a bunch of them to a ally country near Ukraine.

Meanwhile, our drone pilots sit in a base in Nevada somewhere.

THIS would be what I would define as a true proxy war.

No doubt, Russia claims we did it. We deny it. Life goes on... except for maybe all the nuclear missiles. Or not.

 

[UTFanForLife]

id have to talk my neighbors

I still wouldn’t talk to my neighbors

 

[AM64]

To take this issue one step further, the US has the best attack drones on the planet. I'd wager we even have stealth drones by this point.

So, remove all American ID off them, and ship a bunch of them to a ally country near Ukraine.

Meanwhile, our drone pilots sit in a base in Nevada somewhere.

THIS would be what I would define as a true proxy war.

No doubt, Russia claims we did it. We deny it. Life goes on... except for maybe all the nuclear missiles. Or not.

I'm still playing catch up, but somebody mentioned a no fly zone. Seems like if that were done via the UN - to protect people, it would be a great game to negate the Russian AF. You have to think those convoys are vulnerable to ground attack, too, with enough munitions. If the Ukrainians have any air force right now, you have to think that Russian air cover is preventing them and ground troops from destroying the convoys. There just doesn't seem to be much else that makes sense - either the Russians control the skies or the Ukrainians don't have any military at all.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

If people are dying and your first thought is to make a joke about Trump, you may have a problem.

You didn't jump on the the guy making the joke about Biden relating to the same quote?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Russian military strikes are so precise that no one was killed in that and was completely necessary. It is strange watching cars drive right past it as if it is just another Sunday morning

What was the target that left you slobbering on about Russian greatness?

 

[Majors]

Could you imagine what would happen if the Internet just shut down one day and never returned? The modern world would collapse into chaos and would cease to function.

Kids and message boards would revolt

 

[Majors]

I still wouldn’t talk to my neighbors

Strong fence

 

[ClearwaterVol]

This is one of the dumbest posts I've read in awhile. View on Russia are not a left/right thing in this country. You can find articles from plenty of left wing outlets (the NYT among them) blaming NATO for this. The idea that the right is supporting Russia is about as insane as it gets.

She said factions from both the right and the left, but again you fail to actually read. Don't strain.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Regarding history…Russia ALWAYS struggles early in a war but soon finds its footing. See especially the Winter War of 1939 against Finland. Hitler was so convinced of Soviet ineptitude that he soon launched his invasion with (after outstanding initial success) turned into Germany‘s greates historical disaster. The Swedish invasion of 1709 was another example. And of course, the most infamous example of early Russian failure followed by ultimate strength was Napoleon‘s 1812 Invasion. They do not train or prepare well, but they are ruthless in purging failing leaders once ineptitude is seen and if they stay in a conflict long enough, their limitless manpower reserves will eventually tell.

Tell us about Afghanistan.

 

[rjd970]

Kids and message boards would revolt

I doubt message boards would be doing anything at that point.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I wouldn't trust anything she has to say, she's discredited herself by going political.

She bad mouthed both sides. Read.

 

[AM64]

The main argument I am trying to make is that early conclusions based on initial Russian incompetence are usually mistaken as they have the resources to continue a fight much longer than their opponents. And they have shown a historical tendency to continue fights until their resources come to beat.

You are right about the Russian landmass being a formidable weapon. Russians moved their manufacturing back into the country and fought basically a war of attrition at the front in WW2. As the front goes deeper into Russia the supply lines for the invader become longer and susceptible to guerilla type attacks (and especially now air attack); conversely the supply lines for the Russians shorten - it's a matter of where the resources the Russians need to sustain their war are located, and it seems like that favors the Russians, too. We and the Chinese have large landmasses that give each of us some of those same unique benefits. If a war becomes prolonged, it's always resources and logistics ... and being wise enough to use them efficiently, and willing to sacrifice land and people to buy time.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Not sure how true this is. It appears they want to drag him before the hague if he comes out of his bunker. Anyone of you smart asses out there want to verify?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

And this is why Hill should be ignored. She's a political operative.

She bad mouthed the dems too. read the article not just a snippet.

 

[hog88]

She bad mouthed both sides. Read.

I did read and I wasn't just talking about that one interview. She has a long history. Read.

 

[hog88]

Not sure how true this is. It appears they want to drag him before the hague if he comes out of his bunker. Anyone of you smart asses out there want to verify? View attachment 436600

Doesn't matter if true or not, the international court is a powerless and useless organization.

 

[Dirty Vol]

NATO Article 5

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I did read and I wasn't just talking about that one interview. She has a long history. Read.

Her opinion regarding both sides especially those among them that have supported Putin is pretty darn accurate. Sometimes the truth stings.

 

[n_huffhines]

This American Life episode all about Putin and Ukraine. Really interesting so far. The second segment is about how Putin probably bombed his own people to frame Chechnya.

This American Life

 

[hog88]

Her opinion regarding both sides especially those among them that have supported Putin is pretty darn accurate. Sometimes the truth stings.

No, her opinion is not accurate. That's her politics showing through.

 

[Gandalf]

Not sure how true this is. It appears they want to drag him before the hague if he comes out of his bunker. Anyone of you smart asses out there want to verify? View attachment 436600

Well, if the numbers of Russian Soldiers killed (5700+) to Ukrainian civilians killed (136+ based on what UN said) is anything close to accurate, the Russians should win an award for the most accurate, least collateral damage and least lethal war (sorry, special operation) EVER. Guarantee you that with all our efforts, we got nowhere close to that in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria.

 

[AM64]

The Russian financial system is in shambles. The fossil fuel boycott isn’t necessary. You have a point about reliance on outside sources being problematic, especially from hostile/volatile states but long term we all know that could be much more simply solved, like for instance subsidizing a resurgence of nuclear.

It's probably too much to hope that people here in the US are paying attention to that very point.