War in Ukraine

[landscapingvol]

According to the UN no one has died in all these explosions in cities, they have developed bombs that only kill Nazis

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Is that why he bombed the tv tower yesterday?

 

[85SugarVol]

Man, the Military Surplus stores in the Ukraine are going to be .

Just imagine the fishing when this is all said and done.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

someone needs to take down general zod.

 

[dobre_shunka]

Fauci is your quintessential technical expert who is really intelligent in their area of expertise but doesn't need to be in charge of anything or give advice on anything. Super knowledgeable, but needs guardrails, and during the pandemic he really hasn't had many.

If Fauci was one of the most technically proficient individuals in his area of expertise, he would be wearing a white jacket and in a lab every day.


He's currently a bureaucrat in a suit and has been one for some time which leads me to believe he hit his scientific ceiling a long time ago.

 

[05_never_again]

If Fauci was one of the most technically proficient individuals in his area of expertise, he would be wearing a white jacket and in a lab every day.


He's currently a bureaucrat in a suit and has been one for some time which leads me to believe he hit his scientific ceiling a long time ago.

That's kind of my point. Fauci, like most doctors and other technical experts, shouldn't really be in charge of anything.

 

[NCFisher]

They're not saying anything like that. That would defeat the point of them leading from behind?

And oh my goodness enough with "Left vs Right" bs. It has jack to do with that...
Obama's administration were far more aggressive militarily in ACTUAL presentation than any other President the past 30 years. Yet, people swear Trump and Bush were war mongers.

This isn't some popularity contest. United States has been the most ruthless government in power for quite some time now. We only care about winning.

Well, no, what we're seeing is that Biden sequentially acted on sanctions, SWIFT after Europe took action. And it was Germany who announced the halt of Nord Stream 2, and Biden who had waived sanctions prior and whose own sanctions were expressly not designed to disrupt Russian exports. VP Harris confirmed the lead role assumed by the EU/other NATO nations following the Munich Security Conference, when asked by a reporter and stating they were very involved behind the scenes.

I just did a quick search to see who else notice; WAPO did: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/01/biden-europeans-leadership-russia-ukraine/

AGAIN, why is that? The U.S. is NATO. If leading from behind just who, that is - anyone that matters - is fooled? Certainly not Russia, China, Iran, NK. Are they play-acting to their own populaces? Does this represent an ACTUAL pullback from the U.S. being pulled into Euro wars largely of their making, and them taking responsibility for their security? I'd applaud that move, but I doubt it.

Or, as I mentioned prior despite your apoplectic protest, is it no more that the authoritarian progressive vein running deep in this admin that wants to see the U.S. taken down a peg? The left-wing of the party has been composed of Marxian sympathizers for decades and now the party leadership since Obama talks just like them, and the bulk of them vote with anti-American conviction from the filibuster, SC packing, and an illegal attempt to federalize voting, and making reliable, available energy prohitive.

There's a reason this is happening and you don't seem to want to venture a guess while insisting we're out front; it just isn't so.

 

[NCFisher]

Former Trump National Security Advisor John Bolton has weighed in ....

John Bolton says Trump wouldn't have stood in Putin's way if a Russian invasion of Ukraine had happened during his term

John Bolton: Not accurate to say 'Trump's behavior somehow deterred the Russians'

Trump ‘barley knew where Ukraine was’: John Bolton pushes back on Newsmax host

I realize that most of you will just disparage Bolton, and dismiss what he says off-hand... but he was in a position to have observed firsthand, that which he is talking about.

This is the same guy you guys dismissed as a warmongerer. Until Trump fired his ass for being too much of a hawk who was usurping authority and undermining him, then you can't cite him enough.

 

[NCFisher]

This is some "Q" sounding s**t right here.

Keep reading and pay more attention to events.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

here comes the remnants of trump social. chaos, disorder, misinformation, lies. weapons to the cult.

 

[0nelilreb]

here comes the remnants of trump social. chaos, disorder, misinformation, lies. weapons to the cult.

I guess we could always talk about Kamala and how you think it’s her time to shine since she’s been preparing for this .

 

[n_huffhines]

This thread would be 1000x better if it weren't littered with left vs. right, Biden vs. Trump, and COVID side conversations.

Can we just let this thread be about Russia and Ukraine and leave the BS that clouds every other thread at the door?

 

[volbound1700]

According to the UN no one has died in all these explosions in cities, they have developed bombs that only kill Nazis

Well duh, didn't you see the new James Bond where they had a virus that could only attack a certain family?

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[volbound1700]

This thread would be 1000x better if it weren't littered with left vs. right, Biden vs. Trump, and COVID side conversations.

Can we just let this thread be about Russia and Ukraine and leave the BS that clouds every other thread at the door?

I tried to start another thread to focus on how Biden is handling it or Trump would handle it and the mods killed the thread. So blame VolNation.

 

[n_huffhines]

I tried to start another thread to focus on how Biden is handling it or Trump would handle it and the mods killed the thread. So blame VolNation.

Dude, wtf

 

[OrangeTsar]

The question is how long can Russia keep at it? And will it have been enough to save Ukraine? Very tricky situation. I know some have been very critical of Biden, my only wish is that we had a better communicator, a natural leader in office. Other than that he's made no glaring mistakes in handling this particular situation. For that I'm thankful and I hope he's successful in de-escalation of this situation, we can ill afford a world war.

If you think Biden has anything do do with ANY decisions right now, you are naive. The national security apparatus has stepped in and taken over (thankfully in this case). He is being told what to say and he is reading it aloud. That is about he extent of his personal involvement. After the Afghanistan debacle, there is no way he is being allowed to call the shots on something this dangerous

 

[NEO]

This thread would be 1000x better if it weren't littered with left vs. right, Biden vs. Trump, and COVID side conversations.

Can we just let this thread be about Russia and Ukraine and leave the BS that clouds every other thread at the door?

I gotta agree. We all know where everyone stands on Covid and trump at this point so keep that in the other threads.

Just focus on the actual war in this one.

 

[LittleVol]

Well, no, what we're seeing is that Biden sequentially acted on sanctions, SWIFT after Europe took action. And it was Germany who announced the halt of Nord Stream 2, and Biden who had waived sanctions prior and whose own sanctions were expressly not designed to disrupt Russian exports. VP Harris confirmed the lead role assumed by the EU/other NATO nations following the Munich Security Conference, when asked by a reporter and stating they were very involved behind the scenes.

I just did a quick search to see who else notice; WAPO did: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/01/biden-europeans-leadership-russia-ukraine/

AGAIN, why is that? The U.S. is NATO. If leading from behind just who, that is - anyone that matters - is fooled? Certainly not Russia, China, Iran, NK. Are they play-acting to their own populaces? Does this represent an ACTUAL pullback from the U.S. being pulled into Euro wars largely of their making, and them taking responsibility for their security? I'd applaud that move, but I doubt it.

Or, as I mentioned prior despite your apoplectic protest, is it no more that the authoritarian progressive vein running deep in this admin that wants to see the U.S. taken down a peg? The left-wing of the party has been composed of Marxian sympathizers for decades and now the party leadership since Obama talks just like them, and the bulk of them vote with anti-American conviction from the filibuster, SC packing, and an illegal attempt to federalize voting, and making reliable, available energy prohitive.

There's a reason this is happening and you don't seem to want to venture a guess while insisting we're out front; it just isn't so.

I only read the last sentence of this.
The rest I did not.

Regardless. I said originally we are very involved and even leading from behind.
Not sure why you can't accept that.

According to my buddy who is a senior NCO very near the situation physically, he says the US is organizing every single joint task force support movement there.
Also I dated a girl who now works for the most secure intelligence building on the planet. The Pentagon.
I have her information from the "political " side of it.

Lastly, your opinion is far to a skewed about how foriegn policy operates.

You probably think the US was in Afghanistan because Republicans wanted to figtht terrorism! The reality is the ENTIRE US GOVERNMENT, AND EVERY ADMINISTRATION (Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden) was there for the uranium and Lithium. The Uranium (plutonium) has increased our nuclear arsenal far more than the silly 5,000 weapons we are reporting.

 

[Orangeburst]

I gotta agree. We all know where everyone stands on Covid and trump at this point so keep that in the other threads.

Just focus on the actual war in this one.

So you think this war wooda happened with Trump?






jk

 

[happy-go_vol]

Heck yeah! A pair of John Deere tractors contributing to the cause.

John deer should offer to send over a bunch

 

[NorthDallas40]

So just saw a couple of Twitter videos of Russian funerals for war dead. The longer those keep up the more pressure builds on Putin and those around him to remove him.

If Ukraine can hang on for a couple more weeks they will have accomplished what no super power has the resolve to do since this dictator came to power in 1998.

 

[LouderVol]

Ah does it “fool” the munition into thinking it has penetrated the vehicle armor?

SIAP, but yes. They are fused explosives with a time delay usually. Depending on the round it will have a thickness of armor that is needed to trigger it after impact. So going through some sheet metal aluminum may not activate the warhead.

The idea is that if the explosion and super heated material is held off from the face of the armor or before it, it is much less likely to penetrate as the heat and explosive has room to dissipate, or at least hit the face of the armor, rather than being inside.

Not 100% effective as you can typically set the fuse delay, and it still can punch through some armor. Maybe not a main battle tanks front armor, but an IFV could still have issues because you still have an explosion, the HE in Heat is High Explosive, it's just not happening inside the vehicle as designed.

 

[85SugarVol]

"bUt iTz w3aK sANCtionZ" - @Rasputin_Vol

Day 3 of no Moscow Stock Exchange - Hey, maybe if they pretend nothing is happening it will all just go away.

It has been a truly awesome and terrifying display of power.

The West brought a 1,000 yr global power to its knees without firing a shot.

 

[DonjoVol]

While I won't defend Trump I've personally seen you do exactly what you accuse others of here. You are a clown for daring to condescend to anyone else in political matters of intellectual honesty. Go take a lap!

And this guy has been on here claiming the GOP and Republican Party are a cult.