War in Ukraine

[AM64]

'I say Vladimir, if you do it we're hitting Moscow': Trump claims he told Putin and Xi he'd NUKE them and slams Biden for being 'afraid' of Russian leader in conversation with golf legend John Daly - before hitting his Palm Beach course

Donald Trump on Friday told pro-golfer John Daly that he got along 'great' with Vladimir Putin and Russia didn't invade Ukraine under his watch because he threatened to bomb Moscow.

'They're all saying oh he's a nuclear power, it's like they're afraid of him,' Trump said in a recording of the phone conversation with Daly. 'You know, he was a friend of mine, I got along great with him. I say, Vladimir, if you do it, we're hitting Moscow. We're going to hit Moscow. And he sort of believed me like 5%, 10% - that's all you need.'

'He never did it during my time John, you know. They were all talking about it, ''Why didn't he do this during the last four years?'' Because he knew he couldn't.'

The former president claimed that Chinese President Xi Jinping didn't mess with him, either.

'Xi didn't bother me either. I told him the same thing, that that'll be next. You know that's going to be next. Taiwan will be next,' he predicted.

Trump hits Palm Beach course and is recorded telling John Daly that Putin was a 'friend' | Daily Mail Online

Nukes are no deterrent if the other guy know you are never willing to use them first. Using them last simply means you lost anyway. Football analogy - you could put everybody up close and stuff the run if you knew the other team wasn't going to pass.

 

[AM64]

Are you saying the country's long term well being is more important than an individuals short term profits?

Absolutely. All day, every day. A country and a corporation may have no long term future if everything is based on short term profits. Cut US labor for foreign labor and watch the US consumer market wither - of course, the guy that reaped the short term reward won't likely suffer because he will have gotten his and it's somebody else's bad luck. Look at GE for a turn of fortune.

 

[Velo Vol]

Is it still possible to get weapons into Ukraine?

Yes.

 

[AM64]

I overstated by saying days away... I was going off of memory, so my apologies. They declared war on Japan and were moving to push back Japan out of Manchuria. The point is that we didn't necessarily have to do anything like an invasion of Japan or drop a bomb. Nor was I suggesting that we just hand Stalin Japan.

Handing Japan to Stalin would have been one of history's greatest blunders.

 

[***RoadVol***]

'I say Vladimir, if you do it we're hitting Moscow': Trump claims he told Putin and Xi he'd NUKE them and slams Biden for being 'afraid' of Russian leader in conversation with golf legend John Daly - before hitting his Palm Beach course

Donald Trump on Friday told pro-golfer John Daly that he got along 'great' with Vladimir Putin and Russia didn't invade Ukraine under his watch because he threatened to bomb Moscow.

'They're all saying oh he's a nuclear power, it's like they're afraid of him,' Trump said in a recording of the phone conversation with Daly. 'You know, he was a friend of mine, I got along great with him. I say, Vladimir, if you do it, we're hitting Moscow. We're going to hit Moscow. And he sort of believed me like 5%, 10% - that's all you need.'

'He never did it during my time John, you know. They were all talking about it, ''Why didn't he do this during the last four years?'' Because he knew he couldn't.'

The former president claimed that Chinese President Xi Jinping didn't mess with him, either.

'Xi didn't bother me either. I told him the same thing, that that'll be next. You know that's going to be next. Taiwan will be next,' he predicted.

Trump hits Palm Beach course and is recorded telling John Daly that Putin was a 'friend' | Daily Mail Online

Sure he did. Not sure how he could say that much to them when his mouth was full.

 

[AM64]

Speaking of which, I actually like the way English gov can heckle each other. Get rid of this Roberts rules of order and give me a state of the union with some hilarious snaps.

Canes and beaning with spittoons, too. Congress would be good as a full contact sport - at least it might negate the need for term limits.

 

[AM64]

Just heard Sen Linsey Graham advocated for assassination of Putin, just as Double Dipshit did...Graham was all Trumper...LMAO

Not until the midterms when some of his buddies like Paul Ryan left. Graham did a 180.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

I like the idea of term limits a lot. I did not realize this is what this thread was about.

 

[norrislakevol]

The sad truth is that today the consumer has little choice except to buy what's on the market. Maybe the consumers had some choice in the past, but that's largely been taken away by corporations at this point. I think we'd have to agree the consumer is largely a slave in a market decided by what marketers push and CEOs have agreed to build elsewhere. US labor didn't help by pricing itself out of business; apparently nobody on the labor side really understood that our labor was in competition with foreign labor plus the cost of shipping and manufacturing overseas - or they didn't count on politicians turning globalist on them.

We are a victim of a society living in the short term and can't be bothered with long term analysis; otherwise we might have figured out that we were selling out to a future enemy and building his military that we'll probably face again one day. We've fought the Chinese in Korea and Vietnam (more indirectly), and we should have figured out they aren't our buddies.

Good post, and you're right. In the end, China will collapse and drag us down....at least temporarily with it. Short sighted ventures will never be rewarded long term.

 

[evillawyer]

The Ukrainian farmers got emselves another one.

 

[AM64]

In your opinion. When it comes to idiots, I think there's more of an equivalency than partisans want to admit. Too many sheep just looking to follow without question on both sides. We'd be better off without political parties. Imagine if Senators and Congress people just did what they were supposed to do, which is represent their constituents, not a political party?

On one hand I agree, but on the other think of the demographics (like Portland, San Francisco, and others) that people in congress represent - and unfortunately some of those places come with quantity and definitely not quality. And, yes, I know you are right; but, damn, this country is a mess right now.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I think you are missing my main point, which is that all these things you have mentioned has lead to disaster. CEO's of major companies caring about the bottom dollar willingly giving their secrets to the Chi-coms. Sure, that looks great for your bottom line, but that shows no ethics or common sense. This is the way it goes, I understand it. The consumers gobble these products up too. When I buy tools for example, I always look for made in the USA. Screw the Chinese, they make crap as far as tools go anyways.

Stupid people allowed 95 percent of our antibiotics to be manufactured in China. No common sense. It's like selling your soul in order for the devil to teach you how to play the guitar real awesome. In the short term it is great, in the long term it is total stupidity. Stop blaming people who are smarter than you for seeing the looming major problems with this. Figured you may appreciate that last line lol.

Ok, now I'm stupid. I'm way more exposed to this than you could ever imagine. If you think for a minute that the people running this country aren't tickled shitless, maybe you should open your eyes. CEOs have no conscience. They aren't paid to. In fact, I would say they have little to do with it. Stop blaming the production side and start looking at the consumption side. I would say that we are producing a populous in this country that is incapable of of doing what you are asking. Manufacturing is fleeing this country because in order to create the goods for consumption that a minimum wage society can afford, it has to be made elsewhere. Ask yourself, why are so many people over 55 in such high demand in industry now?

 

[Vol423]

Are you saying the country's long term well being is more important than an individuals short term profits?

Most conservatives are a lot more nuanced than you realize. While we believe in personal freedom, limited government and low taxes, most of us don’t believe that maximization of profits at all costs makes for wise policy. Like most things in life, it’s about striking a balance.

 

[AM64]

Fear porn to get budgets increased.

Probably, but they are right, too. Too bad Al Gore didn't think to put in an internet kill switch when he invented it, or that others didn't figure out that some stuff should be on a completely separated/isolated network.

 

[AM64]

I like the idea of term limits a lot. I did not realize this is what this thread was about.

Well if Russia had term limits ...

 

[norrislakevol]

Ok, now I'm stupid. I'm way more exposed to this than you could ever imagine. If you think for a minute that the people running this country aren't tickled shirtless, maybe you should open your eyes. CEOs have no conscience. They aren't paid to. In fact, I would say they have little to do with it. Stop blaming the production side and start looking at the consumption side. I would say that we are producing a populous in this country that is incapable of of doing what you are asking. Manufacturing is fleeing this country because in order to create the goods for consumption that a minimum wage society can afford, it has to be made elsewhere. Ask yourself, why are so many people over 55 in such high demand in industry now?

Lol I was just joking about the stupid thing man. I don't think you're stupid, just throwing a little mud back at you is all.

Yes, agree 100 percent on the bolded. We actually aren't that far off in our views. Many people will have egg on their face when this all goes BOOM. It is BOTH sides that are to blame in the end. Both could have used long term thinking instead of short term gratification.

One thing that can fix at least some of this: More and better automation. I happen to be in that business as a controls engineer.

 

[AM64]

Ok, now I'm stupid. I'm way more exposed to this than you could ever imagine. If you think for a minute that the people running this country aren't tickled shirtless, maybe you should open your eyes. CEOs have no conscience. They aren't paid to. In fact, I would say they have little to do with it. Stop blaming the production side and start looking at the consumption side. I would say that we are producing a populous in this country that is incapable of of doing what you are asking. Manufacturing is fleeing this country because in order to create the goods for consumption that a minimum wage society can afford, it has to be made elsewhere. Ask yourself, why are so many people over 55 in such high demand in industry now?

Our minimum wage is way out of line with a lot of the world. For all our advancements, we're uncompetitive. Maybe it has to do with monetary valuation and that currency is no longer tied to anything fixed - as an engineer any measure that isn't tied to some standard is an abomination. Without some kind of reset (probably painful), we are screwed in the long term.

 

[luthervol]

Most conservatives are a lot more nuanced than you realize. While we believe in personal freedom, limited government and low taxes, most of us don’t believe that maximization of profits at all costs makes for wise policy. Like most things in life, it’s about striking a balance.

I'm sure we all are smart enough to realize that maximization of short term profits at all costs is harmful in the long run. The issue is with creating and supporting a system where that very thing is encouraged and rewarded.

 

[85SugarVol]

Ats?

Automatic transfer switch. Connected to the main and will recognize a loss of power.

 

[norrislakevol]

Our minimum wage is way out of line with a lot of the world. For all our advancements, we're uncompetitive. Maybe it has to do with monetary valuation and that currency is no longer tied to anything fixed - as an engineer any measure that isn't tied to some standard is an abomination. Without some kind of reset (probably painful), we are screwed in the long term.

And the reset will come. It will hurt everyone that isn't super rich, and even some of those will fall. This won't just just hurt us and China, it will crush the entire globe. There is no money left for bailouts anymore. No money left for rewarding failure and bad decisions.

 

[82_VOL_83]

You can't buy what corporations don't make. If you need something and all those somethings are made in China, you can't vote with your pocketbook. Consumers have no way to vote a CEO out of office. We have a two tiered business structure - one of products and markets and the other of markets (of the stock kind) and investment profits. The stock type market is the tail shaking the dog - it's out of control. The stopper might be that corporate officers and family cannot own stock and essentially vote for short term policies that line their pockets - it is a conflict of interest after all - their short term profit vs the country's long term well being. Nationalism has to win over globalism or we are sunk.

The problem is you believe there are enough consumers that want to. News flash, that boat sailed. Don't get me wrong, I buy American when I can but, when there are a 1,000 more people more concerned about tats, piercings, drugs, raising 4 children from 4 different males and any other thing you want to name. You aren't going to win this battle. I actually had been insulated somewhat from this up until about 5 years ago when I moved to W KY. Small towns make up a majority of this country and it's scary what they have turned into. We have two or three generations that are perfectly happy with how things are going right now. The solution doesn't start with offshore manufacturing, it starts with who we are electing to run this country. They want an ignorant and dependent populous and they are getting it.

 

[AM64]

Lol I was just joking about the stupid thing man. I don't think you're stupid, just throwing a little mud back at you is all.

Yes, agree 100 percent on the bolded. We actually aren't that far off in our views. Many people will have egg on their face when this all goes BOOM. It is BOTH sides that are to blame in the end. Both could have used long term thinking instead of short term gratification.

One thing that can fix at least some of this: More and better automation. I happen to be in that business as a controls engineer.

Automation is great to the extent that it doesn't put people out of work because machines don't buy manufactured goods and services. I think we often put too much emphasis into the production side and neglect the impact of the employed consumer. If the industrial revolution taught us anything it that it's all a symbiotic relationship, and without the paid worker there is no consumer for the goods.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I often wonder if several of the PF posters eat mushrooms around 9 p.m.

Any actual updates?

 

[norrislakevol]

I'm sure we all are smart enough to realize that maximization of short term profits at all costs is harmful in the long run. The issue is with creating and supporting a system where that very thing is encouraged and rewarded.

Problem with that is there is no stopping it via government, and that is what it seems you are hinting at. Stupid people in the private and government sector gobbled this up, and would again because that is what sells. Plain ignorance and short sightedness Should they have known better? Yes. Should the consumer have refused cheap Chinese junk? Oh yeah. But here we are.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I like the idea of term limits a lot. I did not realize this is what this thread was about.

That is the first step of many that are needed.