War in Ukraine

[volbeast33]

5 against 1. You want an AR, or a flintlock?

By taking those guys out…. He means whining about it on social media.

 

[hog88]

I'm pretty sure Obama hates Biden.

How many other former Presidents (other than Republicans for Trump) have waited until the week prior to campaign for their party's nominee?

I have no doubt Obama dislikes Biden but Biden is just a tool for those who control both Obama and Biden. Both were just placeholders for the people actually calling the shots.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[luthervol]

No, this was about you, and something you said you would do. I simply asked which option you would prefer.

No, it was about the obligation one country (or segment of society) has when they see evil being done to another.

The AR or flintlock question was simply stupid. Of course a country, a group, a segment of society, or an individual desires to out arm their opponent.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

No, it was about the obligation one country (or segment of society) has when they see evil being done to another.

The AR or flintlock question was simply stupid. Of course a country, a group, a segment of society, or an individual desires to out arm their opponent.

And you served your nation when and where?

 

[luthervol]

And you served your nation when and where?

I serve it daily.

 

[Vol737]

Can they be shot out of the sky?

I’m not sure what are capabilities are vs ICBMS. Someone on this board that has experience in that area could probably give better info on that. If it’s waves of them, I would seriously doubt you could hit them all.

 

[Gandalf]

There was a path for peace that was neglected by Ukraine and the west/US encouraged them to not abide by the Minsk II agreements because they convinced the Ukrainian leadership that the US and NATO would support them. So we put a battery in their backs and now that we have provoked Russia into this mess, NATO is nowhere to be found. Left Ukraine holding the bag.

That didn't help Ukraine or NATO... or really Russia for that matter. There was an easy path to peace that was prevented from happening due to western hubris and arrogance... and financial angles, also.

Admittedly I am just catching up on our policies there (and it is hard to wade through with the recent material skewing things) but I have to agree in general with this.

The West (NATO) thought it could use Ukraine to squeeze Russia on the cheap, Now the bear decides to bite and everyone acts surprised. Doesn't absolve the bear for mauling innocent Ukrainian people in its rampage, however - there were certainly other strong but more measured responses Putin could have chosen. Though in fairness to him, he probably considered if he annexed Donbas and other Russia controlled Ukraine, then NATO may have used that as an excuse to give Ukraine membership. I can understand why he would not exactly trust us based on the past decade.

Even so, where does it leave us all now? The bear is rampaging across Ukraine, causing untold suffering, not least of which will be a refugee crisis with a massive economic impact on the EU. It is unlikely to hibernate through until it has eaten its fill. We need it to go back to its cave but what is the best method to do that without further encouraging the dragon and the Persian lion?

 

[MontyPython]

Teen Who Tracked Elon Musk Flights Has Moved On To Russian Oligarch Yachts

A 19-year-old Florida college student who tracked Elon Musk’s private jet trips, then expanded to Russian oligarch flights, is now drawing a bead on Russian billionaires’ mega-yachts.

Jack Sweeney, a freshman at the University of Central Florida, has started out by posting a list of some of the yachts on Twitter, and noted that the tracking isn’t “automated yet.”

Wealthy Kremlin-supporting Russians are trying to hide their superyachts amid sanctions from the U.S. and other allies in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

It is ok to be looked at if you have done nothing wrong. They are not attacking Americans. Your individualism is intact. All the laws that attack individualism (like the patriot act) were republican. Democrats will not attack your individualism ... yet. Not now at least. When they do I will vote republican.

Democrats are attacking individualism if you have conservative or Christian values.

 

[KB5252]

And it was propaganda and misrepresented... you left that part out.

Yes the fact that he was on Russian state TV shows he was being used for propoganda.

What part are you taking about me leaving out?

 

[RDU VOL#14]

The video quality sucks, but yes the Russians are busting out the armored trains. I guess they don’t get flat tires .

 

[KB5252]

But ethnic Russians in Donbas were being shelled by the Ukrainians.

They were separatists who were fighting against Ukraine. They initiated an armed uprising. Can't think of any place in the world that flies without a response.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

I serve it daily.

So does Joe Biden.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

SIAP: Seen multiple tweets about this

 

[n_huffhines]

SIAP: Seen multiple tweets about this

"Extremely unconfirmed"

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[Rickyvol77]

I was reading this post of yours expecting you to distort and mischaracterize what my position was. I was mistaken (for the most part). You actually summed it up.

Yes your ignorance and craziness is evident for everyone. It’s not hard to “sum up”

 

[Rickyvol77]

It’s true. Ever heard of the Keating 5?

Of course he hasn’t. Libs are suddenly ignorant of actual facts when it goes against their false narratives

 

[DonjoVol]

There are two problems with that last sentence:
1. We don't have the ability to leverage Russia or China anymore. Our leadership has failed us over the last 30 or so years. Really, since WWII.
2. We no longer hold the moral high ground, nor are we collectively a moral people, therefore, we really don't have much influence outside of our perceived military might.

I agree. Especially with the moral high ground argument I've heard from so many people these 5 to 6 years. It's almost as if our society is built on hypocrisy.

 

[Velo Vol]

Though in fairness to him, he probably considered if he annexed Donbas and other Russia controlled Ukraine, then NATO may have used that as an excuse to give Ukraine membership.

How could it join NATO with a war going on within its borders?

 

[MontyPython]

He was spot on calling Coronavirus disaster. Hope he's wrong this time.

Bill Ackman says Russia’s attack on Ukraine means World War III has likely already started

 

[Carl Pickens]

She was dumb enough to put it on and let them get a picture…. SMH. It was back in 2014

 

[Sea Ray]

There are two problems with that last sentence:
1. We don't have the ability to leverage Russia or China anymore. Our leadership has failed us over the last 30 or so years. Really, since WWII.
2. We no longer hold the moral high ground, nor are we collectively a moral people, therefore, we really don't have much influence outside of our perceived military might.

We don't go to war to install puppet governments subservient to us. We go to war to free countries. That does give us the moral high ground

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Poland is soon going to have a complicated relationship with NATO similar to Turkey and (just recently) Germany.

It took less than a month for this to show itself. So now you can count Poland along with Germany and France that we may as well call Putin puppets, right?

Polish Top Diplomat: No-Fly Zone In Ukraine Likely 'Illegal', Would Trigger Major War | ZeroHedge

Poland's second highest diplomat, Deputy Foreign Minister Szymon Szynkowski vel Sek gave an interview to the national public service radio broadcaster Polskie Radio wherein he spelled out "there is no such opportunity" for a no-fly zone given it would involve major "active actions beyond its borders."