War in Ukraine

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InVOLuntary said:
Sure Russia doesn't import much from US/EU, but they still have to buy stuff. The ruble is worth 1% of what it used to be in US DOLLARS. When wholesalers go to purchase goods their buying power is 1% of what it was.
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FYP - and then I propose you think about why I fixed it. What happens if they pay China for goods and convert Rubles to Yuan? oops, no dollar involved. People need USD because they want to buy oil - if Saudis start taking Yuan for it, then...

What you arent quite getting is that the only reason its a problem is because they are buying from people who ask for dollars. If those wholesalers pay in Yuan, Iranian Rials or whatever else, they can convert to that for far greater value than it is pegged to the dollar. After a bit that means the dollar itself collapses because fewer people are buying it to make purchases of goods.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Actually most of the people in here don't really think "private businesses can do what they want". With the exception of maybe Hog. The others simply believe in vaccine mandates and instead of outright admitting that they are using this "private business" excuse or trying to claim they are against "government mandates". I'm not fooled by them anymore. They are for vaccine mandates. Hog at least came out and said he's not for these vaccine mandates and said they were not good for his business. So what we have are people on the right and "moderates" who are for these vaccine mandates just as much as democrats and the left are for them.
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Which concerns me because it makes me think that some of these guys would have acted the same way had Trump decided to mandate the vaccine.
 
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KB5252 said:
This is what happens when you give people money to do nothing. Factor in current inflation and now it's not worth it to many. The fact is your can still hire virtually anyone off the street to do the job, that hasn't changed, the people willing to work has.

I'm sure someone with a proven record as VP could find a job in the current climate faster than a manager at a restaurant could fill openings for the reasons already discussed above. That still doesn't refute that the unskilled talent pool is infinitely larger, it just illustrates the self imposed disfunction in our system currently. It's the price we and they pay for idiotic government policy the last couple of years. We corrected the course but it's too little too late
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The industry has often underpaid the better workers who were in that industry. Chik Fil A actually got ahead of the curve several years ago by paying more than their competitors. Other restaurants did as well. Which is why they didn't seem to struggle as much with staffing issues as other restaurants.

One thing I learned as a manager previously was that there were days we operated better with a smaller, more efficient crew. Which is why some of the better employees should have been retained and rewarded with higher salaries. There was often no need to hire large crews when a medium sized crew works just fine or even better.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Incorrect, US military intervention began in Syria in 2014. So Assad makes a call to Russia to save him after he uses chemical weapons on his own people? That does make sense when it comes to Russian foreign policy, you also acknowledge that Russia has meddled in politics in Ukraine far longer than the US ever dreamed of.
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Ok, so even if we go by your timeline, that's still a year before the Russians arrived.
 
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Gandalf said:
FYP - and then I propose you think about why I fixed it. What happens if they pay China for goods and convert Rubles to Yuan? oops, no dollar involved. People need USD because they want to buy oil - if Saudis start taking Yuan for it, then...

What you arent quite getting is that the only reason its a problem is because they are buying from people who ask for dollars. If those wholesalers pay in Yuan, Iranian Rials or whatever else, they can convert to that for far greater value than it is pegged to the dollar. After a bit that means the dollar itself collapses because fewer people are buying it to make purchases of goods.
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When not if SA starts accepting other currencies for oil we fall.
 
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Gandalf said:
FYP - and then I propose you think about why I fixed it. What happens if they pay China for goods and convert Rubles to Yuan? oops, no dollar involved. People need USD because they want to buy oil - if Saudis start taking Yuan for it, then...

What you arent quite getting is that the only reason its a problem is because they are buying from people who ask for dollars. If those wholesalers pay in Yuan, Iranian Rials or whatever else, they can convert to that for far greater value than it is pegged to the dollar. After a bit that means the dollar itself collapses because fewer people are buying it to make purchases of goods.
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I do understand all that but what you're saying is that China, and these others create their own micro economy. I just don't see it happening that way. If these countries want sell stuff to Russia, they'll still get worthless rubles in turn. Russia really only has oil and even their oil isn't worth as much because of limited markets.
 
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volgr said:
Russia could have easily gone in shock and awe style and hold Kiev. They had air superiority very quickly. So why didn't they do that?
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No they couldn't have. Russian ground forces are ill trained, poorly equipped, poorly led and lack motivation. That's what you get with a corrupt officer corp, a non existent NCO corp and conscript soldiers.
 
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volgr said:
Ahh, you should look into it more. You may find he has raised it more than you think.
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I am not talking about some mythical equation about quality of life. I am talking about per capita GDP and there was no measurement of it under the Soviet Union. When he took office it was around 3K, which is abysmal, climbed to a peak of around 16k in 2013 and fell to around 9k in 2016; last measured year it was around 10k in 2020. Per capita GDP will by nature grow over a given length of time due to inflation but in a nation with as much wealth potential as they have in natural resources with relatively few internal conflicts that is not impressive when compared to the rest of Eastern Europe. Take Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, for example who much smaller with much less potential doing significantly better in the same relative time frame as Russia. Countries that Russia has meddled with or continues to meddle with are extremely poor. That isn't by accident or unexpected, it's the price of doing business with them.
 
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hog88 said:
No they couldn't have. Russian ground forces are ill trained, poorly equipped, poorly led and lack motivation. That's what you get with a corrupt officer corp, a non existent NCO corp and conscript soldiers.
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Correct, for some strange reason there is a willingness for some to want to inflate their military capabilities
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I do understand all that but what you're saying is that China, and these others create their own micro economy. I just don't see it happening that way. If these countries want sell stuff to Russia, they'll still get worthless rubles in turn. Russia really only has oil and even their oil isn't worth as much because of limited markets.
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Have you done a serious investigation of Russia's economy or are you just regurgitating what the media has told you about Russia just being a gas station?

I suggest you just do a quick Google search of major commodities and look at what countries are in the top 5 of each.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Have done a serious investigation of Russia's economy or are you just regurgitating what the media has told you about Russia just being a gas station?

I suggest you just do a quick Google search of major commodities and look at what countries are in the top 5 of each.
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Putin is very, very proud of you.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Have you done a serious investigation of Russia's economy or are you just regurgitating what the media has told you about Russia just being a gas station?

I suggest you just do a quick Google search of major commodities and look at what countries are in the top 5 of each.
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I was about to say something myself. The fact is Russia is still one of the largest economies in the world. They will be just fine without these countries who want to participate in this mass virtue signaling exercise.
 
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volgr said:
Russia could have easily gone in shock and awe style and hold Kiev. They had air superiority very quickly. So why didn't they do that?
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The air is still contested in Ukraine. By all but Russian accounts their armed forces have been surprisingly ineffective.

They've had to all but level every city they've taken, and those have been in the "friendlier" eastern portions of the country that were more open to Russian influence and presence. Given these facts what makes you believe they'll be more generous to citizens of Ukraine as they move west?
 
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DonjoVol said:
I was about to say something myself. The fact is Russia is still one of the largest economies in the world. They will be just fine without these countries who want to participate in this mass virtue signaling exercise.
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They won't be "just fine" they will feel the pain but they will pull through.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ok, so even if we go by your timeline, that's still a year before the Russians arrived.
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And are still there, the Russians "arrived" because Assad pleaded to him for help to prop him up to remain in power after using chemical weapons on his own people. That is why I said "roughly" the same length as the Americans.
 
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KB5252 said:
The air is still contested in Ukraine. By all but Russian accounts their armed forces have been surprisingly ineffective.
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If that is the case, then why are we still talking about this 40 mile Russian convoy that Pelosi was talking about? Why have they been able to sit comfortably where they are unmolested for the last week or two?

KB5252 said:
They've had to all but level every city they've taken, and those have been in the "friendlier" eastern portions of the country that were more open to Russian influence and presence. Given these facts what makes you believe they'll be more generous to citizens of Ukraine as they move west?
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It's obvious you are watching CNN or MSNBC or even Fox to get this info. The very same people that have gaslighted us about COVID. But now, they are reliable sources of information when it comes to this.
 
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landscapingvol said:
And are still there, the Russians "arrived" because Assad pleaded to him for help to prop him up to remain in power after using chemical weapons on his own people. That is why I said "roughly" the same length as the Americans.
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No, you did not say "roughly".

landscapingvol said:
True or false, Russia has been involved in Syria militarily as long or longer than the US?
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By your own admission, the US was there at least a year before. I would argue at least 3-4 years prior going back to 2011.
 
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