War strategy

[Lexvol]

I have been discussing this on a type key blog. Politically I think it is safe to say if this administration had this to do over, they would have listened to the generals suggesting more troops. However, if that had happened it would have set the stage for real comparisons to Vietnam.

Keep in mind I am no military strategist, and I am at best an amatuer historian, but I would make an argument that full scale warfare has been virtually abandoned since the end of WWII. I find that rather ironic for those who insists the America is full of imperialist dogs. The longer the war on terror drags on the more mired it will become for several reasons.

First of all the Saudi's continue to play both ends against the middle. Their royalty spend millions of dollars in the west, but continue to allow thier populace to be stirred up with the hatred taught by the Imams.

Secondly, Iran and Turkey have not made real steps toward secular governments. While Turkey's military is secular, their govt remains conservative. The revolution in Iran that many have expected for the last decade has not come to fruition.

Finally France, Russia, and China benefit from having GB and the US mired in middle eastern strife. Until they are directly affected by terror there will be little change in that situation.

In the mean time, the jihadists will continue to drag the world into the past. Eventually they will get a hold of a weapon that will kill thousands of people.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I have been discussing this on a type key blog. Politically I think it is safe to say if this administration had this to do over, they would have listened to the generals suggesting more troops. However, if that had happened it would have set the stage for real comparisons to Vietnam.

Keep in mind I am no military strategist, and I am at best an amatuer historian, but I would make an argument that full scale warfare has been virtually abandoned since the end of WWII. I find that rather ironic for those who insists the America is full of imperialist dogs. The longer the war on terror drags on the more mired it will become for several reasons.

First of all the Saudi's continue to play both ends against the middle. Their royalty spend millions of dollars in the west, but continue to allow thier populace to be stirred up with the hatred taught by the Imams.

Secondly, Iran and Turkey have not made real steps toward secular governments. While Turkey's military is secular, their govt remains conservative. The revolution in Iran that many have expected for the last decade has not come to fruition.

Finally France, Russia, and China benefit from having GB and the US mired in middle eastern strife. Until they are directly affected by terror there will be little change in that situation.

In the mean time, the jihadists will continue to drag the world into the past. Eventually they will get a hold of a weapon that will kill thousands of people.

NICE!

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[WA_Vol]

the only strategy that is going to work is to divide the country into 3 self governing providences controlled by the sunni's, shiites, and the kurds and leave.

they will never get along together and allow one group to rule over the other without civil war. there already is civil war. this is the only solution that will work and the fact that it isnt openly being considered only demonstrates how clearly we need a change.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

the only strategy that is going to work is to divide the country into 3 self governing providences controlled by the sunni's, sheites, and the kurds and leave.

they will never get along together and allow one group to rule over the other without civil war. there already is civil war. this is the only solution that will work and the fact that it isnt openly being considered only demonstrates how clearly we need a change.

I posted something similiar to this about a month ago from msnbc....

Iraq's dominant Shiite political alliance has submitted to parliament a draft law governing the division of the country into autonomous regions.

" The general committee of the United Iraqi Alliance finished drafting the law of regional formations and submitted it to the leadership of the parliament for review," Shiite lawmaker Hamid Mualla al-Saadi said Wednesday.

The second day of parliament since the end of its month-long recess is expected to be dominated with the review of the controversial draft law which will govern the process of dividing the country into autonomous regions.

The three Kurdish provinces in the north are already autonomous and Shiite lawmakers have indicated they would like a similar federal status for the overwhelmingly Shiite southern provinces.

With Iraq's oil entirely concentrated in the northern and southern region's, the proposals worry the country's Sunni Arabs, largely found in the arid and resource-poor center of the country.

Kurdish and Shiite parties, however, make up two-thirds of the parliament.

I still don't understand why we don't broker some kind of deal where the three groups share the oil/resources and live in a very loose three state confederation.

 

[CSpindizzy]

If you divide the country, you get a very powerful Kurdish group. Those Kurds within Turkey and Iran will also want to break away and Turkey has already said they will use all force to prevent this from happening. If we partition, then this basically gives the Palestinians more political and diplomatic leverage as well.

 

[therealUT]

If you divide the country, you get a very powerful Kurdish group. Those Kurds within Turkey and Iran will also want to break away and Turkey has already said they will use all force to prevent this from happening. If we partition, then this basically gives the Palestinians more political and diplomatic leverage as well.

Well said, CSpin.