Warlick says players have changed since she became coach

[Franklin Pierce]

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Completely delusional IMO. Back to blaming players. A whole lot of comments on how the players lack fundamentals and are soft, but nothing about how she hasn't adapted to the changes in the way the game is played.

All these low IQ and unskilled players don't seem to have any problems being coached by Muffet, Geno, Jeff, Tara, Vic and a whole slew of other capable coaches.

Further proof that she lacks self awareness.

Pat Summitt stated that players had changed over her coaching career.

Summitt said that, generally, players were not as hungry as they once were, and were not as willing to put in the hard work that is necessary to become the best players they could be.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Not my opinion at all. I don't have an opinion regarding AAU. It's Auriemma's opinion and he's not the only D1 coach to say that. Care to compare resumes?

Gino's a basketball coach. I'm a basketball coach. The day I'm intimidated by another basketball coach is the day I quit.

If you scared by a dog... I don't own a dog

 

[brassie]

Gino's a basketball coach. I'm a basketball coach. The day I'm intimidated by another basketball coach is the day I quit.

If you scared by a dog... I don't own a dog

 

[brassie]

"Gino's a basketball coach. I'm a basketball coach." That's like trying to conflate Fords and Ferraris because they are both cars.

Trying hard to make sense of your reply. I don't know where intimidation enters the picture, or dogs for that matter. I was simply posting about comments that Auriemma has made in the past about how players have changed and not for the better and that he thinks AAU basketball is at least partly to blame.

 

[Coach Jumper]

"Gino's a basketball coach. I'm a basketball coach." That's like trying to conflate Fords and Ferraris because they are both cars.

Trying hard to make sense of your reply. I don't know where intimidation enters the picture, or dogs for that matter. I was simply posting about comments that Auriemma has made in the past about how players have changed and not for the better and that he thinks AAU basketball is at least partly to blame.

Sure
Some of the blame is shouldered by AAU
Some by HS coaches, and
Some by collegiate coaches

 

[Coach Jumper]

"Gino's a basketball coach. I'm a basketball coach." That's like trying to conflate Fords and Ferraris because they are both cars.

Trying hard to make sense of your reply. I don't know where intimidation enters the picture, or dogs for that matter. I was simply posting about comments that Auriemma has made in the past about how players have changed and not for the better and that he thinks AAU basketball is at least partly to blame.

I consider Geno a colleague,
Holly too.
I don't hold either in esteem
Until I face them, they are just another coach

AAU is what it is. I was with the GA Pistols for ten years. I was the "tier two" coach. It was my job to make tier one players. I chose my players after the Gold coach chose theirs. We would get around 100 or so at tryouts...All of them thinking they were the best in Atlanta...We usually had top ten finishes in 2-3 age groups...The Lady Vols have had several of our players...When I left, we were the top program in GA.

So this AAU that you speak of, yes there are some vastly inferior coaches in it.
As there are in HS and college
But the AAU org I coached in was top of the heap. Our players played in colleges all over the USA.

SO if our opinions of the AAU differ, maybe now you can understand why I don't agree.

 

[VolBall09]

I have opinions regarding AAU though! And it has definitely contributed to the entitlement culture young athletes have today.

IN AAU they:

1. Practice very little, maybe 2-3 times weekly from what I have observed

2. Players, especially the most talented players are often given a total pass on skipping practice, but are still allowed to play in the games which reinforces bad behavior

3. Some teams don't practice together at all, they just play, which hurts player development, particularly less talented players

4. The 2 or 3 best players often dominate the ball for the entire game, some are skilled enough to be a 1 man press break

4a. These players will NOT be able to play like this at the next level, it will be a TO every time unless they are Chennedy Carter or Ivory Latta

4b. They rarely set up a half court offense and run through it, everything happens in transition

5. Teams predominantly play zone defense because shooting percentages are low and you have a better chance of winning playing the zone

5a. This means players start jacking up deep 3 point shots in 3rd and 4th grade against a zone before they are strong enough to shoot with a developed, appropriate, shot and players develop poor shooting form/habits at a young age

5b. Players do not learn to play good, solid, no foul, straight up Man to Man defense in the half court

6. All of the emphasis is on winning, not on doing things the right way

6a. Most coaches don't care if one player scores 56 out of 60 points so long as they win, this isn't realistic for the talented player and they struggle at the next level adapting to having a bunch of other stars on the same team

6b. If you aren't treating the worst player on your team just like the best player on your team, you have a big problem


My opinion? AAU should be a skills camp that plays games at the end of the week. Organized basketball should be played in schools where players are held accountable for their attendance, attitude, and grades. Just like in college. Players should compete in other sports, not just basketball year round.

Multi-sport athletes are becoming a thing of the past, but the cross training you get from playing multiple sports develops your coordination, athleticism, and focus to make you better at basketball. Even if you don't play an organized game for 6 months.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I have opinions regarding AAU though! And it has definitely contributed to the entitlement culture young athletes have today.

IN AAU they:

1. Practice very little, maybe 2-3 times weekly from what I have observed

2. Players, especially the most talented players are often given a total pass on skipping practice, but are still allowed to play in the games which reinforces bad behavior

3. Some teams don't practice together at all, they just play, which hurts player development, particularly less talented players

4. The 2 or 3 best players often dominate the ball for the entire game, some are skilled enough to be a 1 man press break

4a. These players will NOT be able to play like this at the next level, it will be a TO every time unless they are Chennedy Carter or Ivory Latta

4b. They rarely set up a half court offense and run through it, everything happens in transition

5. Teams predominantly play zone defense because shooting percentages are low and you have a better chance of winning playing the zone

5a. This means players start jacking up deep 3 point shots in 3rd and 4th grade against a zone before they are strong enough to shoot with a developed, appropriate, shot and players develop poor shooting form/habits at a young age

5b. Players do not learn to play good, solid, no foul, straight up Man to Man defense in the half court

6. All of the emphasis is on winning, not on doing things the right way

6a. Most coaches don't care if one player scores 56 out of 60 points so long as they win, this isn't realistic for the talented player and they struggle at the next level adapting to having a bunch of other stars on the same team

6b. If you aren't treating the worst player on your team just like the best player on your team, you have a big problem


My opinion? AAU should be a skills camp that plays games at the end of the week. Organized basketball should be played in schools where players are held accountable for their attendance, attitude, and grades. Just like in college. Players should compete in other sports, not just basketball year round.

Multi-sport athletes are becoming a thing of the past, but the cross training you get from playing multiple sports develops your coordination, athleticism, and focus to make you better at basketball. Even if you don't play an organized game for 6 months.

Was your experience in Roswell GA?

Mine was.

 

[Willtalk]

Holly might not be a good coach but what she stated about the players being different is definitely true. As some have pointed out AAU plays a major part. Something else is a form of burnout. Players hone their craft year round. Not only do they play AAU and High School, but most also have personal trainers that they work with. The come into college with more developed individual skills but with a less team oriented perspective.

They have already spent so much time on basketball they are less apt to want to put out the type of effort that the better programs and coaches used to require. That is one reason Geno is not getting his pick of the litter anymore. Players like Stephens do not want to put in the effort to become the best that they can be. The figure they are good enough as is. Unfortunately for many that is true.

John Wooden also made the comment some years after he quit, that he would not be able to coach the players that were coming out of high school. It seems that trend has also caught up to WCBB. Now their are many coaches who's personality and programs are still successful with this new group, but the old guard like Geno, Pat, etc would have to make concessions to their standards. So much so that they might not even want to coach anymore.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Holly might not be a good coach but what she stated about the players being different is definitely true. As some have pointed out AAU plays a major part. Something else is a form of burnout. Players hone their craft year round. Not only do they play AAU and High School, but most also have personal trainers that they work with. The come into college with more developed individual skills but with a less team oriented perspective.

They have already spent so much time on basketball they are less apt to want to put out the type of effort that the better programs and coaches used to require. That is one reason Geno is not getting his pick of the litter anymore. Players like Stephens do not want to put in the effort to become the best that they can be. The figure they are good enough as is. Unfortunately for many that is true.

John Wooden also made the comment some years after he quit, that he would not be able to coach the players that were coming out of high school. It seems that trend has also caught up to WCBB. Now their are many coaches who's personality and programs are still successful with this new group, but the old guard like Geno, Pat, etc would have to make concessions to their standards. So much so that they might not even want to coach anymore.

It ain't about that. These kids love this game enough to want to learn it year-round. It's about the skills they come in with after working their whole young lives to acquire those skills and then they get to programs that want to break them down to make them basic players

 

[gule]

you want to let them play wild & free? How's that working for C Carter and A&M?

 

[volnationnj]

It ain't about that. These kids love this game enough to want to learn it year-round. It's about the skills they come in with after working their whole young lives to acquire those skills and then they get to programs that want to break them down to make them basic players[/QUOTE
I think the complaint is that too many players are practicing individual skills while playing as a team becomes a distant second in importance.
The fear is that AAU and individual trainers exacerbate the problem.

 

[Coach Jumper]

AAU is vastly different from college or High School in that AAU Place tournament basketball 4 is contest everything we play is tournament. We don't have a regular-season like high school and college does to set ourselves up for a tournament. Therefore we have create a winner from day one. Our season if you will, is the month or so that we have before tournament start. So it is vastly different it is a vastly different mindset

 

[brassie]

AAU is vastly different from college or High School in that AAU Place tournament basketball 4 is contest everything we play is tournament. We don't have a regular-season like high school and college does to set ourselves up for a tournament. Therefore we have create a winner from day one. Our season if you will, is the month or so that we have before tournament start. So it is vastly different it is a vastly different mindset

I think that you make the point - not yours, but Auriemma's. No time to teach fundamentals, it's play the game and win. That mindset is what D1 coaches are complaining about. It's all about tournaments and individual exposure. Of course the other factor in the equation are the Benjamin's which will always trump teaching the game.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I think that you make the point - not yours, but Auriemma's. No time to teach fundamentals, it's play the game and win. That mindset is what D1 coaches are complaining about. It's all about tournaments and individual exposure. Of course the other factor in the equation are the Benjamin's which will always trump teaching the game.

It was said that they practice 2-3 times per week.
And this is after their school season is over.
Most kids are tanning and strolling.
These girls are dedicating thier off-season to honing their crafts
Leave them alone.
Just because you are sour on AAU doesn't mean everyone is.
Let it go

I had a team in Atlanta,
the only team I ever posted a youtube video (it was a Mothers Days tourney championship),,,,That team played 72 games over that summer....18 tournaments...13 girls...I told them as long as there were nine available, we could play and they did (I think we took 3 weekends off all summer)....And they didn't get to play if they missed the prior practice (tues and fri) ...They would show early and stay until lights out.

Coaches and organizational flaws notwithstanding, AAU is the YMCA of this era...It keeps kids with something constructive to do.

Back off, man,,,,you may have a kid someday
and if you already had a kid that had schtippheads for coaches...

I am so sorry

 

[glv98]

Hard as it is to plow thru what some posters are trying to say, I think we're saying the same thing. AAU is a different mindset which values playing and winning over practice and development. I've never known a player who wouldn't love that - everyone likes games more than practice.

It is great that AAU ideally gives kids a physically healthy alternative plus extra time in the gym in the offseason. The question is whether the play and win mindset which trumps practice and develop is hurting the college game. IMO the answer is yes. If they really wanted to help the players they would flip the script and have intensive skills developmental camps followed by a season ending tourney or two.

But that wouldn't be any fun and who would want to pay for that?

 

[Coach Jumper]

Hard as it is to plow thru what some posters are trying to say, I think we're saying the same thing. AAU is a different mindset which values playing and winning over practice and development. I've never known a player who wouldn't love that - everyone likes games more than practice.

It is great that AAU ideally gives kids a physically healthy alternative plus extra time in the gym in the offseason. The question is whether the play and win mindset which trumps practice and develop is hurting the college game. IMO the answer is yes. If they really wanted to help the players they would flip the script and have intensive skills developmental camps followed by a season ending tourney or two.

But that wouldn't be any fun and who would want to pay for that?

Consider this, good teams use practices to correct things they need to work on. It's a don't use practices for things I need to work on they're not going to stay good teams.

 

[choconut]

CJ, were you with the Pistols during the Diamond era?
Also, are you only interested in working with Lady Vols?
You said the Lady Vols had several players out of Pistols, so shouldn't Holly see your value and at least talk to you about bringing you on in some capacity?

If you are willing to work with another university like ETSU, then with your experience/resume, it would seem they would also welcome you.

Sometimes taking a position to get your foot in the door eventually opens the barn doors....

 

[glv98]

Consider this, good teams use practices to correct things they need to work on. It's a don't use practices for things I need to work on they're not going to stay good teams.

Not sure I comprehend that second sentence but I think we're agreeing. Practice is better than games at working on fundamentals; games are fun and a payoff and let us know what we need to work on. In practice.

Understandable that AAU, being a paying biz, flips that script with far more games than practice since that's more fun for their customers, the kids and the paying parents. Also understandable when that leads to some on court habits and mindsets surrounding fundamentals that college coaches abhor.

I like the old fashioned concept of summer bball camps. 60% fundamentals drills and about 40% teams and games.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Not sure I comprehend that second sentence but I think we're agreeing. Practice is better than games at working on fundamentals; games are fun and a payoff and let us know what we need to work on. In practice.

Understandable that AAU, being a paying biz, flips that script with far more games than practice since that's more fun for their customers, the kids and the paying parents. Also understandable when that leads to some on court habits and mindsets surrounding fundamentals that college coaches abhor.

I like the old fashioned concept of summer bball camps. 60% fundamentals drills and about 40% teams and games.

When you use voice to text, it can get pretty interesting what you read versus what you said

But yes we do agree, practice is where Corrections are made

 

[OldNSlow]

I have opinions regarding AAU though! And it has definitely contributed to the entitlement culture young athletes have today.

IN AAU they:

1. Practice very little, maybe 2-3 times weekly from what I have observed

2. Players, especially the most talented players are often given a total pass on skipping practice, but are still allowed to play in the games which reinforces bad behavior

3. Some teams don't practice together at all, they just play, which hurts player development, particularly less talented players

4. The 2 or 3 best players often dominate the ball for the entire game, some are skilled enough to be a 1 man press break

4a. These players will NOT be able to play like this at the next level, it will be a TO every time unless they are Chennedy Carter or Ivory Latta

4b. They rarely set up a half court offense and run through it, everything happens in transition

5. Teams predominantly play zone defense because shooting percentages are low and you have a better chance of winning playing the zone

5a. This means players start jacking up deep 3 point shots in 3rd and 4th grade against a zone before they are strong enough to shoot with a developed, appropriate, shot and players develop poor shooting form/habits at a young age

5b. Players do not learn to play good, solid, no foul, straight up Man to Man defense in the half court

6. All of the emphasis is on winning, not on doing things the right way

6a. Most coaches don't care if one player scores 56 out of 60 points so long as they win, this isn't realistic for the talented player and they struggle at the next level adapting to having a bunch of other stars on the same team

6b. If you aren't treating the worst player on your team just like the best player on your team, you have a big problem


My opinion? AAU should be a skills camp that plays games at the end of the week. Organized basketball should be played in schools where players are held accountable for their attendance, attitude, and grades. Just like in college. Players should compete in other sports, not just basketball year round.

Multi-sport athletes are becoming a thing of the past, but the cross training you get from playing multiple sports develops your coordination, athleticism, and focus to make you better at basketball. Even if you don't play an organized game for 6 months.

Top level AAU programs are not run like you are describing. AAU which is long dead, now the best are all Exposure which is overseen by the NCAA. AAU per say is like the NCAA teams, you have some very good programs, some mid major programs, some bad programs and then you have bad, bad, bad programs. Do not lump all together based on ignorance of something. Holly has recruited bad. Just because you have All American by your name in no wise mean you have earned it( Mcdonalds is very political) and there are kids we have that have a "entitled" attitude, so we have recruited bad or bad fits let say that. All you have to do is watch our games or even at some point just look at our kids. This is not hard.

 

[OldNSlow]

If you dont recruit kids who mesh then you will destroy your program. You are watching it happen before your eyes........

 

[Coach Jumper]

CJ, were you with the Pistols during the Diamond era?
Also, are you only interested in working with Lady Vols?
You said the Lady Vols had several players out of Pistols, so shouldn't Holly see your value and at least talk to you about bringing you on in some capacity?

If you are willing to work with another university like ETSU, then with your experience/resume, it would seem they would also welcome you.

Sometimes taking a position to get your foot in the door eventually opens the barn doors....

I am on my cell phone right now so I'm not going to go into an extensive answer to this, but will when I get home

 

[madtownvol]

Top level AAU programs are not run like you are describing. AAU which is long dead, now the best are all Exposure which is overseen by the NCAA. AAU per say is like the NCAA teams, you have some very good programs, some mid major programs, some bad programs and then you have bad, bad, bad programs. Do not lump all together based on ignorance of something. Holly has recruited bad. Just because you have All American by your name in no wise mean you have earned it( Mcdonalds is very political) and there are kids we have that have a "entitled" attitude, so we have recruited bad or bad fits let say that. All you have to do is watch our games or even at some point just look at our kids. This is not hard.

???? So you are saying the Evina, Rennia, Zaay, and Ariana are "bad" recruits? "Lets say" that is a unique interpretation.

 

[VolBall09]

Top level AAU programs are not run like you are describing. AAU which is long dead, now the best are all Exposure which is overseen by the NCAA. AAU per say is like the NCAA teams, you have some very good programs, some mid major programs, some bad programs and then you have bad, bad, bad programs. Do not lump all together based on ignorance of something. Holly has recruited bad. Just because you have All American by your name in no wise mean you have earned it( Mcdonalds is very political) and there are kids we have that have a "entitled" attitude, so we have recruited bad or bad fits let say that. All you have to do is watch our games or even at some point just look at our kids. This is not hard.

You have your opinions and I have mine. I do agree that McDonald's AA is mostly political as the players tend to come from the same schools/AAU programs with coaches who have players on those teams year in and year out.

In no way does that mean Holly has recruited poorly though. To be perfectly honest that is the one huge, shining gold star on her resume. She has recruited very well and we have some incredible ball players on our current roster.

The issue after getting those recruits is keeping them happy and working them into your system and continuing to improve their confidence (which is where Holly falls short) to become the best possible player they can be for the TEAM.

AAU you is all about ME. My stats, my minutes, my name on my jersey. Winning at the next level has to be about the end goal and the success of the entire team, not just the player.